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Title: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Dr. Martin Gooter Bling on September 22, 2017, 02:01:14 pm
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-41358640 (https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-41358640)
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on September 25, 2017, 11:16:46 am
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/09/24/uber-flags-tfl-nemesis-lawyer-head-appeal-against-london-ban/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/09/24/uber-flags-tfl-nemesis-lawyer-head-appeal-against-london-ban/)

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Uber has hired top barrister Thomas de la Mare to lead the ride-hailing app’s appeal against its London ban, picking a QC who has successfully fought Transport for London (TfL) before.

The company, which on Friday received notice from the capital’s transport regulator that its operating licence would not be renewed, has also drafted in law firm Hogan Lovells.

Earlier this year, Mr de la Mare led a case for Uber that resulted in two of three restrictions on the private hire industry being declared unlawful. TfL had wanted drivers to be insured for private hire even when they were not being used to ferry passengers, and a requirement for a complaints telephone line was also thrown out. Uber failed to have an English language test thrown out, however.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on September 25, 2017, 11:33:16 am
A  lady MP, can't remember her name, interviewed by Sky at weekend, said she's sure it will be overturned if Uber adhere to Govt recommendations. Might have been Diane Abbot.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Dr. Martin Gooter Bling on September 25, 2017, 11:36:37 am
fuckin gggggGOBSHITEeeeee that diane abbott one.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on September 25, 2017, 11:40:36 am
Not sure if it's her Gooter. I just know her name as she's famous. Black lady with glasses.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: john m on September 25, 2017, 11:49:49 am
http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/ubers-new-ceo-writes-open-letter-apologising-to-london-for-taxi-apps-mistakes-36165372.html (http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/ubers-new-ceo-writes-open-letter-apologising-to-london-for-taxi-apps-mistakes-36165372.html)
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on September 25, 2017, 12:53:50 pm
[url]http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/ubers-new-ceo-writes-open-letter-apologising-to-london-for-taxi-apps-mistakes-36165372.html[/url] ([url]http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/ubers-new-ceo-writes-open-letter-apologising-to-london-for-taxi-apps-mistakes-36165372.html[/url])


Sometimes a fox pretends he's licking his paws when he sizes up the hen. Had to climb down like George Hook...survival.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on September 25, 2017, 01:33:11 pm
It was Diane Abbot, I heard her on Q102 last night. To be frank, I don't think she knows what she's talking about as she suggested that Uber could tighten it's vetting procedures among other things. In fact TfL are responsible for vetting and licensing drivers. I'd imagine a Sir Humphrey type opined that the Mayor's support for inconveniencing millions of Londoners is "most courageous". If I was Mr. Uber I wouldn't give TfL the time of day unless it came begging for a resolution.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: john m on September 28, 2017, 09:00:02 pm
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41431847 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41431847)  Boss says change your mind
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on September 28, 2017, 11:16:07 pm
Sadiq Khan is the boss of London and TfL. Cheap shot, at the next Mayoral election no doubt Mrs. May will claim that the conservatives saved Uber for Londoners...
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: john m on September 29, 2017, 05:04:15 am
What she means is .Who will employ the unemployable foreigners who drive for UBER .TfL will be bought off with the contract to run a driver app like we have and issue rideshare driver licences and the customary brown envelopes to prospective candidates in upcoming ballots .
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on September 29, 2017, 05:33:04 am
Teresa May is not for turning as Maggie said.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on September 29, 2017, 09:52:59 am
Can't see TfL running a driver app, erm. The drivers will still have cars and licences, they're not going anywhere. How many of them subscribe to other PH firms as well as Uber?
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: john m on September 29, 2017, 10:02:04 am
Its grand Gesturing by the Grand Dame .Got to get the Londoners on side .Kann is a Muslim Labour Mayor and wants UBER banned .She is a Free Market Protectionist keep them out Tory who wants to make sure they cannot claim the dole because they are professional cab drivers ,and wants to protect their jobs .So make sure there are jobs for them and cheap UBERS for the voters out in Streatham/Ballam and beyond .The example of the underused driver app we have and a money making licence operated by TfL should sort it out .Veradkur will probably have a word to explain that there is an English speaking call center for riders to complain to here in  Leafy Limerick .
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on September 29, 2017, 10:06:59 am
Can't see TfL issuing rideshare driving licences. Uber already has 40,000 PH drivers.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: john m on September 29, 2017, 10:36:43 am
Can't see TfL issuing rideshare driving licences. Uber already has 40,000 PH drivers.

Rodent the Catholic Church would issue Prostitute Licences if there was money in it for them TfL will issue Rideshare Licences and every other council will issue them .One of the big issues with UBER is nobody knows who is driving what and where and when and if the tax man is getting his pound of ....I would think the bigger issue in the UK is unrecorded earnings by drivers than danger to passengers over 600,000 londoners signed the petition to save UBER
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on September 29, 2017, 10:45:35 am
TfL won't issue rideshare driving licences, you've got the erm end of the stick there. The city struggles to cope with the congestion UberX causes. Unrecorded earnings would be more of a problem with "traditional" PH firms than with Uber. Like mytaxi, Uber documents every job and every penny every driver collects. In fact, if that is their problem, Uber is their solution.

Leo might have the answer, erm. According to Joe Heron the 20,000 reduction in taxi driver numbers over here since 2009 is down to drivers finding better paid jobs. Seems that we need 20,000 men willing to drive drunks about for little reward.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: john m on September 29, 2017, 11:01:04 am
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/09/29/uber-boss-hold-talks-transport-london-next-week/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/09/29/uber-boss-hold-talks-transport-london-next-week/)
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on September 29, 2017, 11:03:29 am
They'll probably agree to some meaningless nonsense and let TfL climb down gracefully.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on September 29, 2017, 11:31:56 am
Can't see TfL issuing rideshare driving licences. Uber already has 40,000 PH drivers.

Rodent the Catholic Church would issue Prostitute Licences if there was money in it for them TfL will issue Rideshare Licences and every other council will issue them .One of the big issues with UBER is nobody knows who is driving what and where and when and if the tax man is getting his pound of ....I would think the bigger issue in the UK is unrecorded earnings by drivers than danger to passengers over 600,000 londoners signed the petition to save UBER

Il Pimpa Don Francesca absolves you....blasphemous.......tut-tut.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: SClass on September 29, 2017, 11:33:24 am
It's not like Tfl didn't give it a go.
Tfl Gave ubber a trial run and for more reasons then one, I'd say,
 it has not worked out.
What's the point in having rules and regulations
It is not right to have black cab drivers and taxi drivers working too strict regulations to stay on the road.
Uber  are arrogant scum.
They came in with the intention of stamping over every taxi regulation in the world.
There goal was to eliminate Taxi around the world
Any taxi driver dot gets involved in Uber is a complete idiot, he's digging his own grave.
I say Transport for London had to make the decision.
A high court case by taxi driver's was inevitable.
After giving it some thought they made their decision.
Well done TFL.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on September 29, 2017, 11:41:01 am
I think Mayor Khan took a similar view, making what can only be described as a most courageous defence of TFL inconveniencing millions of Londoners. On mature reflection he seems less convinced. Either way it seems unlikely that TfLs decision wil withstand the scrutiny of the appeal process. Logically, it hasn't a leg to stand on.

Uber is insignificant in Ireland but drivers will dig their own graves for mytaxi. As FDS used to remind us, there's a reason we drive cars for a living.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on September 29, 2017, 12:01:12 pm
If one tells the truth, one is sure, sooner or later, to be found out.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Taxi driver42 on September 30, 2017, 05:12:24 am
Uber will get here
Eventually
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on September 30, 2017, 08:56:47 am
We've more to be worried about if the test is softened up.Remember during the recession it was the legal drivers not the illegal ones causing the mess.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on September 30, 2017, 12:01:16 pm
Working class builder type chap last night summed it all up even though he had several gargles consumed..."Housing Crisis...simples....it burst, went septic, scabbed over and is now infected again..". That trumps any McWilliams lecture in my opinion... 8)
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Vikkiz on September 30, 2017, 12:22:56 pm
Uber will get here
Eventually
Uber is already here. They just follow the current rules and regulations and use taxis and limos.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on September 30, 2017, 01:22:55 pm
We've more to be worried about if the test is softened up.Remember during the recession it was the legal drivers not the illegal ones causing the mess.

Every coin has two sides. If taxis become scarce because it's too difficult to qualify as a taxi driver there will be more pressure to allow rideshare.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on September 30, 2017, 03:48:01 pm
It's not that tough we just need better applicants..
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on September 30, 2017, 04:27:05 pm
According to Joe Herron, the longest drivers rep in the business (both in stature and length of service), 20,000 men have left the trade to take up better paid jobs. That suggests that we need less skilled men to take their place.

Let me put it another way, if taxis become scarce because it's too difficult for those so inclined to qualify as taxi drivers, there will be more pressure to allow rideshare.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on September 30, 2017, 04:55:16 pm
I know what ya meant.Joe Herron has his facts wrong though.20k PSV holders didn't renew thier licence that they got really easy because the renewal was 250 .When the job is considered to be worth doing better candidates will prepare properly for the exam.

I understand that you lads didn't have to pass any significant test but it doesn't mean you should lower the bar and sabotage things for everyone else.Maybe if yis did a proper exam yis wouldn't be so laid back?

Claiming that we need more cabs because folks have to hunt for taxis at the weekend is just dumb.All other times there are plenty of taxis to go round.I've been to many places all over the world and it's tough to get a taxi at closing time in every place I've been.Why do Irish folks think there should be a loads minimum wage gimps parked outside every nightclub and bar at the weekend.Makes no sense in any other country.





Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 01, 2017, 05:36:46 am
Unfortunately, 99% of folk know very little about the taxi trade so they rely on what the media tells them. We know Joe doesn't know his arse from his elbow but they don't hence they believe the bullshit that comes out of his mouth, particularly when it seems to support what the dispatch firms are saying.

I'm not suggesting we need more taxis. What I am saying is that we have to be careful that any perception of a shortfall in supply doesn't result in a knee jerk reaction along the lines of facilitating rideshare. We need to be a lot more clever going forward than we ever have been in the past. Frankly, I don't believe any of our reps are capable.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 01, 2017, 05:52:43 am
Incidentally, far from suggesting lowering the bar I have advocated all drivers sitting the Kathleen Doyle test every 5 years sine it was introduced in 2009. That would level the playing field and improve standards across the board. However, I guess there could be a case for letting men who fail continue as hackney drivers, converting their plates to hackney plates with an option to convert back if they pass the test within 5 years?
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 01, 2017, 08:13:59 am
I agree our reps are not up to the job.And they don't represent as many drivers as they make others believe.We need a better line of communication with the media and someone who can go on the radio and make honest rebuttals to Tim Arnold's bullshit.

I also agree tougher testing for all wouldn't be a bad thing.But relegating taxi drivers to hackney men upon test failure would require a bit of work.Perhaps they could be rickshaw pilots instead limiting the damage to some degree?
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: john m on October 01, 2017, 08:58:20 am
merc the so called reps decided a long time ago that they wanted a simpler entry exam,when the certified drivers test was introduced the reps complained and insisted it was not made compulsory and wanted a grandfather rule as they said that some older  drivers had trouble reading and writing this is not the only time reps have refered to just how stupit you can be to drive a taxi .Joe Herron claimed that the reason that some drivers were not registered on the drivers app was because they were to thick to register Based on previous statements about the educational standards of drivers issued by the reps the test should be simplified to help improve driver self confidence .The test should be a twopart test .Tech can you turn on a satnav and use a phone and the second part should be industry based can you tell the difference between a Saloon Car and a WAT .That just about covers all you need to know Stop worrying about the kip being flodded with new taxies the town is going to grind to a halt as soon as the LUAS is up and running the last thing they want is more taxies clogging the streets .
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 01, 2017, 09:16:45 am
The reps don't reperesent me or the majority of drivers.I'm not too worried as it would take years of easy tests to flood the place. Uber isn't the big thing we need to be concerned about either.But let us not forget Tim Arnold and co are the real problem calling for easy tests just because drivers aren't thick enough to drive past instant cash work on the streets.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 01, 2017, 11:26:56 am
I agree our reps are not up to the job.And they don't represent as many drivers as they make others believe.We need a better line of communication with the media and someone who can go on the radio and make honest rebuttals to Tim Arnold's bullshit.

I also agree tougher testing for all wouldn't be a bad thing.But relegating taxi drivers to hackney men upon test failure would require a bit of work.Perhaps they could be rickshaw pilots instead limiting the damage to some degree?

Are they "our reps" though Mercenary? Take this Citizens Assembly crowd...who the fuck appointed these arseholes to represent "our", the citizens, interests? There are capable men and women out there perfectly able to rebuke and confute everything Arnold says. It appears to me they might not be afforded the opportunity to do so as they're not "with the programme".
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 01, 2017, 12:00:14 pm
Maybe our was the wrong word.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 02, 2017, 10:39:58 am
A snippet taken from today's Telegraph regarding a surprising number polling in favour of Uber's ban in London. Demographics play a huge part of course.




Of those people who said they frequently use Uber in London 63 per cent said that they felt the decision was wrong. However, more than a quarter of these people (27 per cent) agreed with it.

More than one in three of those who had used Uber at least once said they supported the ban while 49 per cent of those who had never used it agreed with TfL's decision.

Younger people were more likely to disagree with the ban, however, out of the age groups polled, only the 18-24 category had more than one in three respondents in opposition.

There was little variation on a political level but women were slightly less happy with the ban than men were.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Taxi driver42 on October 03, 2017, 07:28:48 pm
Its gonna get in here
Eventually
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 03, 2017, 07:37:15 pm
It's already in here, so is mytaxi/moovel.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: silverbullet on October 03, 2017, 08:19:21 pm
The Drinks trade is the problem, not taxis.

Close every pub, club, restaurant at approximately the same time and you'll always have a problem.

Uber subsidize fares until market domination is achieved. The same goes for driver commission. Commission in some U.S. states has increased from 2.5% at the outset, to a current 30%.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Taxi driver42 on October 03, 2017, 08:52:52 pm
It's already in here, so is mytaxi/moovel.

RIDESHARE I MEAN
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 04, 2017, 02:13:53 am
mytaxi uses hackneys, that's all Uber uses in London - they call them minicabs or PH there, a hackney carriage is actually a taxi in their lingo.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 04, 2017, 03:01:29 am
Uber subsidize fares until market domination is achieved. The same goes for driver commission. Commission in some U.S. states has increased from 2.5% at the outset, to a current 30%.

mytaxi tried to introduce 30% commission in Germany. Taximen over there stood up to them, I'm not sure we would. Of course, it also subsidises fares and manipulates supply with driver bonuses.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: SClass on October 04, 2017, 11:22:52 am
I agree our reps are not up to the job.And they don't represent as many drivers as they make others believe.We need a better line of communication with the media and someone who can go on the radio and make honest rebuttals to Tim Arnold's bullshit.

I also agree tougher testing for all wouldn't be a bad thing.But relegating taxi drivers to hackney men upon test failure would require a bit of work.Perhaps they could be rickshaw pilots instead limiting the damage to some degree?




It stopped posting the same shit over and over.
But i know that you MFH,
It's not the reps that's the problem ,
It's drivers like you.
Haven't a clue what the reps have done or haven't done,
You're not involved in any,
Or have no intention of getting involved.
That's the issue with the game.
People like you, tapping on your pad,
About reps don't represent you, and don't get involved
You just keep tapping and let someone else's try, typical
You're in the majority,
Taxi drivers Don't give a fukk.
There's a great bunch of lads out there I know
Who try,
But again don't get surport.
I'll repeat,
 Unity does not exist in the Irish. Taxi industry
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 04, 2017, 11:46:55 am
To be fair, MfH was one of the most vocal opponents of mytaxi discounting PUC. Getting PUC back on mytaxi work is easily drivers' most significant achievement since Kathleen Doyle implemented a range of reforms - e.g. 9 year rule, new entrance test, SPSVDL fee increase, temporary moratorium on issuing saloon plates - despite union opposition.

In recent times we've heard Joe Herron tell Matt Cooper that no PUC on mytaxi jobs wasn't much an issue for drivers. He also put the 20,000 reduction in SPSVDL holders down to men finding better paid jobs giving the clear impression that 20,000 men have vacated the trade since 2009. How could he not know that the vast majority were dormant licences let lapse on account of the renewal fee being increased from €3 to €250? Why didn't he mention the cost of insurance putting men out of business?

TTnH, for it's part, has earned column inches in defending the band of villains that pick the pockets of tourists at Dublin Airport. How does it reconcile telling a judge that it is happy with a drug dealer (who also holds a conviction for overcharging from DAP) driving a taxi with it's previous complaints of immigrants criminals being allowed drive taxis and it's supposed opposition to double jobbing?

SC, do you seriously think any man with half a functioning brain cell is going to pay these gobshites?
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 04, 2017, 12:25:26 pm
I didn't realise ye were giving out  about me SClass I'm on me hols.Im not a keyboard warrior I just know bullshit when I see it.Everytime someone needs a soundbite on the radio they contact some gobshite who does the accounts for a few taxi drivers claiming to be a reputable union with loads of members.They usually say something dumb and innaccurate and score some uneccessary own goal.

We're currently the target of a media smear campaign from Mytaxi ,Uber and the other money hungry despatchers who want to give the impression that we need more taxis.Independent newspapers and other online outlets are happily  printing the nonsense because it  gets the public interested and irrate.

I wasn't directing anything at your union,they don't bother me as much as the others because the seem to have stopped engaging with the media lately.But it has to be said outside the kesh and maybe a couple of ranks in town they've got no presence.That's just an honest observation.I rarely see the green roof stickers anymore.

I can't subscribe to a union who doesn't believe in what I believe in.Remember I did the new test and think yis all should be forced to sit it for the laugh.Which union is gonna put that forward to the NTA?I've yet to find a union that meets my needs.I can do me own accounts.Kinda.Ya bleeding dotard...hablamos luego...Google translate is great.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 04, 2017, 12:34:00 pm
To be fair to mytaxi, I don't think they have necessarily said we need more taxis. In fact, when I spoke with them they seemed at least as interested in the potential for increasing efficient utilisation of the current fleet - something that fits well with the evolving ethos within the motor trade in general. If mytaxi and other dispatchers have difficulty covering work (charged at fare card rates) that is a problem.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 04, 2017, 12:38:16 pm
Many drivers don't need them so much with the apps...and they've never been so expensive to use either.115 a week and 10% of account work seems hefty.

Tim was on the radio offering to pay for taxi tests for new candidates.They want more gimps.They need more gimps.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 04, 2017, 12:42:44 pm
App work isn't cheap when you work out the hourly freight. However, I guess we should take into account the fact that apps (mytaxi in particular) increase our overall takings as they convert what would otherwise be street hails into "radio" jobs, encourage increased use of taxis and subsidise fares for riders. We also get bonuses to offset from time to time.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Shallowhal on October 04, 2017, 12:54:00 pm
@RC,I know you often quote the % discounts that the app providers offer and the commission we pay but unless you're working a base radio all the time i personally think they are overpriced,ye generally don't see a C2K driver working the streets of a weekend night but happily sit around Swords...for some reason i can't explain...but should encourage a lot more to do it aswell.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 04, 2017, 01:05:11 pm
More drivers and more taxis are two different things. If mytaxi is struggling to satisfy demand, of course it is going to encourage new entrants. If it couldn't do all the office work it would recruit more staff, etc..

TBH, while I don't necessarily agree with the erm's conclusion that we should actively discourage any other firm from competing with mytaxi, I do appreciate his premise. On balance, with PUC restored we're getting a fair deal from mytaxi and it has shown a willingness to work with drivers. Where problems exist, solutions need to be found. Our customers want an eHail service, we need to recognise that and work with eHail firms to ensure it is available.

Now that we get PUC on mytaxi work, discounts are irrelevant Hal. I don't think I would go back to a fixed freight base now, even if I was working 40+ hours/week. Even if the commission works out to be a bit more expensive than the freight would be, it's probably worth it as the infrastructure we're paying for encourages increased use of taxis.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: IrishTim1 on October 04, 2017, 03:35:39 pm
There is obviously a lot of lobbying to the government going on behind the scenes. I worked with 3 different taxi firms when I was driving a taxi and during the initial meeting with each one of them the men in charge were ranting about there not being enough taxi plates or drivers and how they are putting pressure on the government to release plates....it's only a matter of time before they are released but probably with restrictions such as only being sold to established firms or for a limited time.

Personally, having passed the new entry test I would be absolutely pissed off if it was dumbed down. I was born and raised in Dublin and studied hard for the test, failing it a few times before eventually passing and if I'm honest I still wasn't 100 percent on area knowledge so there's no way a dumbed down version would be fit for purpose.

I do agree in a limited release of plates per year or every few years to coincide with population increases etc otherwise the service will become unfit for purpose.....also I want my own plate so I do have a horse in that race.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: SClass on October 04, 2017, 04:30:24 pm
To be fair, MfH was one of the most vocal opponents of mytaxi discounting PUC. Getting PUC back on mytaxi work is easily drivers' most significant achievement since Kathleen Doyle implemented a range of reforms - e.g. 9 year rule, new entrance test, SPSVDL fee increase, temporary moratorium on issuing saloon plates - despite union opposition.

In recent times we've heard Joe Herron tell Matt Cooper that no PUC on mytaxi jobs wasn't much an issue for drivers. He also put the 20,000 reduction in SPSVDL holders down to men finding better paid jobs giving the clear impression that 20,000 men have vacated the trade since 2009. How could he not know that the vast majority were dormant licences let lapse on account of the renewal fee being increased from €3 to €250? Why didn't he mention the cost of insurance putting men out of business?

TTnH, for it's part, has earned column inches in defending the band of villains that pick the pockets of tourists at Dublin Airport. How does it reconcile telling a judge that it is happy with a drug dealer (who also holds a conviction for overcharging from DAP) driving a taxi with it's previous complaints of immigrants criminals being allowed drive taxis and it's supposed opposition to double jobbing?

SC, do you seriously think any man with half a functioning brain cell is going to pay these gobshites?




Read this very carefully.
I spoke to Alan Brennan.
Philip Kavanagh did not represent ttnh in the court.
He had no right to use TTnH name.
He took it upon himself to mention he was a member,
I've called for him to be removed.
The man's a fool.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: SClass on October 04, 2017, 04:36:05 pm
I didn't realise ye were giving out  about me SClass I'm on me hols.Im not a keyboard warrior I just know bullshit when I see it.Everytime someone needs a soundbite on the radio they contact some gobshite who does the accounts for a few taxi drivers claiming to be a reputable union with loads of members.They usually say something dumb and innaccurate and score some uneccessary own goal.

We're currently the target of a media smear campaign from Mytaxi ,Uber and the other money hungry despatchers who want to give the impression that we need more taxis.Independent newspapers and other online outlets are happily  printing the nonsense because it  gets the public interested and irrate.

I wasn't directing anything at your union,they don't bother me as much as the others because the seem to have stopped engaging with the media lately.But it has to be said outside the kesh and maybe a couple of ranks in town they've got no presence.That's just an honest observation.I rarely see the green roof stickers anymore.

I can't subscribe to a union who doesn't believe in what I believe in.Remember I did the new test and think yis all should be forced to sit it for the laugh.Which union is gonna put that forward to the NTA?I've yet to find a union that meets my needs.I can do me own accounts.Kinda.Ya bleeding dotard...hablamos luego...Google translate is great.



It was a Union that got your plate.
Did that meet your needs
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 04, 2017, 04:38:04 pm
About Mytaxi looking for extra taxis...Tim Arnold was saying the wheelchair regs were one of the reasons there were less taxis on a  recent media interview.The fact that they're using limos to circumvent the wheely taxi regs by diverting taxi work should be enough reason to distrust them.The wheely regs have been massively successful.They want saloon plates released even though it's cheap to buy a wheely.

These apps only work when they're oversubscribed.They don't have anything drivers want when there's enough work on the streets.The PUC came back but it took the pricks way too long.They only gave in when the brand was ruined.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 04, 2017, 04:47:24 pm
I note the case was put back four weeks for mention, SC - article published 26/09/2017. I trust Mr. Brennan will be in court to clarify the situation for the judge and, presumably, report that both men have been expelled from the organisation.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 04, 2017, 04:54:22 pm
Here S no union got me a plate.Yous  Muppets would probably never be on the road if yis had to pass a real test...Only a moron would pay 100k for a licence.Plenty got them for very little back in the day.You forget that one of my best mates Da was one of the original taximen who paid fukall when they were originally issued.

By the way I don't hold any value in my plate... it's the bronze badge that was hard to get.Wheely plates are almost free.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 04, 2017, 05:03:44 pm
About Mytaxi looking for extra taxis...Tim Arnold was saying the wheelchair regs were one of the reasons there were less taxis on a  recent media interview.The fact that they're using limos to circumvent the wheely taxi regs by diverting taxi work should be enough reason to distrust them.The wheely regs have been massively successful.They want saloon plates released even though it's cheap to buy a wheely.

These apps only work when they're oversubscribed.They don't have anything drivers want when there's enough work on the streets.The PUC came back but it took the pricks way too long.They only gave in when the brand was ruined.

As noted, mytaxi have shown a willingness to work with drivers. More taxi drivers doesn't have to mean more saloon taxis, in fact that would be a backward step. It may be beneficial to explore the possibility of reintroducing the cosy system.

We need to consider what customers want as well as what drivers want, perhaps even more so. New York taximen didn't want Hail0 when it was made available to them. If they could turn the clock back a few years they'd bite Jay Bregman's hand off to give him 10%.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 04, 2017, 05:09:54 pm
The legal limos are their biggest Achilles heel...Uber would have sunk them eventually.Just like the taximen without deregulation would have been sunk by the smelly hacks.

Hailo adoption by US cabbies just would have slowed the sinking down a bit IMO.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 05, 2017, 05:33:46 am
A lot of diverse opinions and sensible ones at that. You see, harking back to the past is futile really, as the man looking over his shoulder seldom sees the truth as it was, just as it appeared to him back then. Embracing change is something most people are reluctant to do. I see a lot of the past attitudes even in recent entrants to the game...lads wanting to pull the ladder up after themselves was a huge issue, if not THE issue before Molloy got to work and it's still there. Just because some guy has passed a driving test doesn't mean the guy driving for 30 yrs who never had to pass said test has inferior knowledge. If anything, the Quango(s) set up to "regulate" just needs people to pay for it's existence hence the need for repeat business and high failure rates.

The biggest issue with guys investing minimum outlay for their desire for "self-employment" is they expected and still do expect maximum return on investment. With the advent of Apps and "progressive" technologies, people are finding that they're still someone's bitch after all, just as they were and always will be...same as they would be if they were wearing a suit or cutting someone's hair.

And for the record, this new "tough" test will be dumbed down...you can bet on it...

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/flanagan-to-seek-support-over-direct-provision-working-rights-1.3244558 (http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/flanagan-to-seek-support-over-direct-provision-working-rights-1.3244558)
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 05, 2017, 09:17:19 am
The job is open for anyone who wants in.I'm not against new drivers but there should be some sort of limit on numbers.The new test works fine for that purpose.Wheely plates are almost free.Nothing stopping new drivers except a bit of hard work and a map.I'm no genius as I'm sure yis can tell and passed it.Allowing everyone access to the taxi industry just because they had a few quid was never gonna end well and it didn't.

The ten year rule is probably expediting the retirement of our older drivers who don't wanna reinvest the last few quid they have left on a hobby.I think it should be revisited.The taxi that brought be from the airport in Tenerife was a twenty year old Peugeot 409.Only one Superb in the whole place and loads of fat customers...oh the hardship. Didn't bother me at all.Ireland has some of the most expensive car taxes in the world but still we insist on age rules that don't make any difference but increase our costs.As things stand you need about 3 or 4 thousand a year before fuel just to stay afloat in this business.I consider that a lot of money.

Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: john m on October 05, 2017, 09:34:08 am
Merc what we need to protect the viability of the industry and I called for it years ago is an environmental impact statement .to many dirty diesel motors running around empty spewing out exhaust dirt The sight of tens of thousands of empty taxies returning from the airport is an environmental Holocost .If we were serious about a professional service we would follow London and go all electric or at least hybrid a 5 year rule should be introduced with no VRT on purchase of new vehicles .That would sort out the taxi drivers from the casual traders reduce the fleet then tier 2 taxi licences should be issued for weekend or event casual taxies and as we are in the process of going cashless as a society the SUITABILITY should also read your meter .
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 05, 2017, 09:45:14 am
Merc what we need to protect the viability of the industry and I called for it years ago is an environmental impact statement .to many dirty diesel motors running around empty spewing out exhaust dirt The sight of tens of thousands of empty taxies returning from the airport is an environmental Holocost .If we were serious about a professional service we would follow London and go all electric or at least hybrid a 5 year rule should be introduced with no VRT on purchase of new vehicles .That would sort out the taxi drivers from the casual traders reduce the fleet then tier 2 taxi licences should be issued for weekend or event casual taxies and as we are in the process of going cashless as a society the SUITABILITY should also read your meter .

Where's the money for the Govt, John? No VRT and no 3/4's taxation on fuel if we all go electric. We all know the future is Hybrid and eventually fully electric...but they've still to work out how they're going to recoup billions lost to revenue. One thing is for sure, they're going to jump all over diesel and the DPF thing next week.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: john m on October 05, 2017, 09:52:56 am
Merc what we need to protect the viability of the industry and I called for it years ago is an environmental impact statement .to many dirty diesel motors running around empty spewing out exhaust dirt The sight of tens of thousands of empty taxies returning from the airport is an environmental Holocost .If we were serious about a professional service we would follow London and go all electric or at least hybrid a 5 year rule should be introduced with no VRT on purchase of new vehicles .That would sort out the taxi drivers from the casual traders reduce the fleet then tier 2 taxi licences should be issued for weekend or event casual taxies and as we are in the process of going cashless as a society the SUITABILITY should also read your meter .

Where's the money for the Govt, John? No VRT and no 3/4's taxation on fuel if we all go electric. We all know the future is Hybrid and eventually fully electric...but they've still to work out how they're going to recoup billions lost to revenue.

They know how to make money .I picked up a head from the 4 seasons about 6 years ago and posted it on Roys he was meeting with Government reps .He was selling Road Pricing .How it works ..Every type of road has a user price per kilometer eg M50 4 cent but at peak times the rate might go up to 20c this then allows the government to control traffic flow by road pricing .If its 20 c per Km you will use the cheaper option but as soon as that road becomes congested then your in car screen will show cheaper alternatives .By introducing road pricing they can remove all fuel duty and change over to the user pays principle .This idea has a lot of support in the EU as some countries get no revenue from out of state cars using their infrastructure as they pass through .
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 05, 2017, 10:00:54 am
That's one valid method alright. Travelling from one of France to the other costs a lot of money but they have the roads.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 05, 2017, 10:20:17 am
I'm not sure they need to soften the test to accommodate immigrants. The majority of new entrants are immigrants. I guess there's a range of possible explanations for that depending on your point of view. Many believe that the streets of Dublin cannot be learned, being knowledge that one can only acquire by being born in Ireland hence they conclude that the immigrants' exam papers aren't marked as stringently as papers submitted by men who are Irish by accident of birth. Others might conclude that (as Joe Herron noted) there are plenty of higher paid jobs available for unskilled workers so the trade simply doesn't appeal to many outside of the immigrant community, who may have skills that aren't recognised in Eire.

Copying London makes no sense, erm. Taxis account for c25% of SPSVs over there, the other 75% being PH (minicabs) use similar vehicles as us.

The standards introduced by Kathleen Doyle are effectively artificial barriers to entry. Quantitative controls based on infrastructural constraints ought to introduced, following the lead taken by DAA.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: john m on October 05, 2017, 10:32:19 am
{The standards introduced by Kathleen Doyle are effectively artificial barriers to entry. Quantitative controls based on infrastructural constraints ought to introduced, following the lead taken by DAA.}Did I not say that .Environmental Impact survey .Its not only taxies that are destroying the environment get private cars off the road would increase the amount of taxi work ..Its a virtuous circle Rodent .Wont be long now as soon as the LUAS is joined up that transport thinking gets joined up as well .The Mungbean chewing sandal wearing tree hugging bicycling hippies in DCC will spring into action when total gridlock hits the big smoke at Christmas .Monty and Cuffe will decide to get both an Environmental impact survey and an Engineers report on infrastructure done as a basis for banning traffic from the City Center .The Canal Corridor will be beautified with bikes flowerpots skinny blokes reciting poetry Cello Players and Taxies and Busses only during business hours .
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 05, 2017, 10:44:00 am
Electric cars will come and attitudes to car ownership will change, that's what the motor trade is gearing up for.

We still need quantitative controls on taxi numbers based on infrastructural constraints, following the lead taken by DAA. DAA bases it's controls on rank space available, not sure where you got the idea that it is leading the way in reducing emissions. In fact it's bias towards 8 seater taxis does the exact opposite, I think you got the erm end of the stick.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 05, 2017, 11:09:00 am
{The standards introduced by Kathleen Doyle are effectively artificial barriers to entry. Quantitative controls based on infrastructural constraints ought to introduced, following the lead taken by DAA.}Did I not say that .Environmental Impact survey .Its not only taxies that are destroying the environment get private cars off the road would increase the amount of taxi work ..Its a virtuous circle Rodent .Wont be long now as soon as the LUAS is joined up that transport thinking gets joined up as well .The Mungbean chewing sandal wearing tree hugging bicycling hippies in DCC will spring into action when total gridlock hits the big smoke at Christmas .Monty and Cuffe will decide to get both an Environmental impact survey and an Engineers report on infrastructure done as a basis for banning traffic from the City Center .The Canal Corridor will be beautified with bikes flowerpots skinny blokes reciting poetry Cello Players and Taxies and Busses only during business hours .

Duncan what's his name from Ecodick on RTE couldn't have put it better. I can almost hear Joan Baez singing a melody with her soiled thong flapping in the breeze.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: IrishTim1 on October 05, 2017, 04:30:44 pm
I'm not sure they need to soften the test to accommodate immigrants. The majority of new entrants are immigrants. I guess there's a range of possible explanations for that depending on your point of view. Many believe that the streets of Dublin cannot be learned, being knowledge that one can only acquire by being born in Ireland hence they conclude that the immigrants' exam papers aren't marked as stringently as papers submitted by men who are Irish by accident of birth. Others might conclude that (as Joe Herron noted) there are plenty of higher paid jobs available for unskilled workers so the trade simply doesn't appeal to many outside of the immigrant community, who may have skills that aren't recognised in Eire.

Copying London makes no sense, erm. Taxis account for c25% of SPSVs over there, the other 75% being PH (minicabs) use similar vehicles as us.

The standards introduced by Kathleen Doyle are effectively artificial barriers to entry. Quantitative controls based on infrastructural constraints ought to introduced, following the lead taken by DAA.

It is a matter of fact that many African taxi drivers from the Dundalk region were simply handed licenses for Dublin because they claimed Dundalk was a racist town and they couldn't get work there, they never sat the area knowledge portion of the Dublin test.

It is also true that many successful asylum seekers and immigrants from the third world did not have to reach the same standards on the area knowledge test as native Irish people, this is all a matter of record and was widely shared at the time of the occurrences, I can't be arsed to find links right now.

Also, an Indian man was relatively recently caught charging up to €400 per person to get them through the current harder area knowledge test, he was using a communication set up to give the cheaters all the answers while they were in the test room. No doubt he serviced thousands of these recent migrants and helped them cheat their way through the test.

Also, why are non EU students still allowed to circumvent visa rules by driving taxis, I thought they were not going to be allowed to get tax clearance which would stop them driving taxies.

Then there is the issue of blatant illegal taxi drivers, in the past I have found myself in a couple which when considering how rare it is I use a taxi myself it leads me to believe they are far more prevalent than we are lead to believe, I had one who openly admitted they had no spsv licence, he was an Algerian who had absolutely no idea where he was going or how he would get there, didn't know where Fairview was, Didn't know where Connolly station was, Didn't know where the Malahide road.

The Kathleen Doyle test is 100% essential to maintain the integrity of the taxi industry if it is dumbed down then literally overnight there will be tens of thousands of new entrants to the industry which is simply unsustainable, there are limited resources and limited fares, if it is an open free for all then expect it to become a 100% low skilled, terribly paid, newly arrived immigrant job.

The test should be kept hard but there should be a better administration of the test, a model similar to the London knowledge would be better suited whereby it is done in stages and spread out over time.
Entry to non-citizens should be totally prohibited.
Entry to non EU students should be totally prohibited.

Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Taxi driver42 on October 05, 2017, 04:38:43 pm
The test is easy to get if you know the questions
Learn the questions that come up just like the theory test
One place in dublin around along time has%95 of the questions and answers
Like what most students do learn past questions and answers
I know a guy got it last month through a taxi school I wont say what one
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: IrishTim1 on October 05, 2017, 05:09:25 pm
The test is easy to get if you know the questions
Learn the questions that come up just like the theory test
One place in dublin around along time has%95 of the questions and answers
Like what most students do learn past questions and answers
I know a guy got it last month through a taxi school I wont say what one

Not true at all, I done the course you're talking about and although it was of some help they certainly do not have anywhere near 90% of the questions.

There is a random database of questions that can come up in any order, it is next to impossible to rote learn the answers which is proven by the over 90% failure rate.

Some people get lucky with the range of questions they are presented with but they're are in the minority. To say the test is easily passed proves that you have not done it yourself.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 05, 2017, 07:52:41 pm
Your understanding of the Dundalk situation is incomplete, Tim. Before there was any restriction on working areas drivers from Fingal were generally issued with Louth-Meath SPSVDLs as they applied to Garda Stations in the Louth-Meath Garda district. Hence they were deemed to be entitled to Dublin licences as parts of Fingal were never in any taximeter area before the county border system was adopted. Similarly, many Dublin licensed drivers are entitled to Wicklow licences because the Dublin Taximeter Area extended into parts of Wicklow back in the 90s.

Student visa holders are not entitled to be self-employed. They are allowed work as employees (subject to certain restrictions) for up to 20 hours per week. A while back a number of our unions worked together (CTA, SIPTU TB,  ITDF and probably a few more) to establish the principle that taxi drivers are only working when engaged by a client. This was accepted by Social Welfare and remains the only recognised definition of working hours for the trade.

The obsession with copying London is not well founded. London Taxis account for less than 25% of SPSVs in that jurisdiction. Following their procedures would therefore require re-establishing a significant hackney sector with (as is the case in London) no test for drivers.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 05, 2017, 08:06:31 pm
It is also true that many successful asylum seekers and immigrants from the third world did not have to reach the same standards on the area knowledge test as native Irish people, this is all a matter of record and was widely shared at the time of the occurrences, I can't be arsed to find links right now.


Please post when you can be arsed. We often get claims of this nature, pointing to unsubstantiated "evidence". Little Robbie (John911) used to come out with all sorts of bullshit on Roy's with the promise of evidence to follow, the evidence never followed.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: SClass on October 05, 2017, 08:46:25 pm
I know for sure, that when the six and a bit taxi plates were on sale,
they did get financial help from social to  purchase them.
also the immigration Council are a secretive organisation, up to all sorts of bogy stuff.the truth will never come out,
Vetting is one,
No way can a background checks be done.
Can anyone fine out if what i say is right or wrong.
I don't think so.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: IrishTim1 on October 05, 2017, 09:14:48 pm
It is also true that many successful asylum seekers and immigrants from the third world did not have to reach the same standards on the area knowledge test as native Irish people, this is all a matter of record and was widely shared at the time of the occurrences, I can't be arsed to find links right now.


Please post when you can be arsed. We often get claims of this nature, pointing to unsubstantiated "evidence". Little Robbie (John911) used to come out with all sorts of bullshit on Roy's with the promise of evidence to follow, the evidence never followed.

It almost seems like you have a horse in this particular race.
It was widely reported at the time in the media and other sources, it's far from bullshit and unless we are getting genius level migrants from sub-Saharan Africa where the average IQ is 70 then there's no other logical reason for the over-representation of third world taxi drivers in Dublin.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: IrishTim1 on October 05, 2017, 09:18:18 pm
I know for sure, that when the six and a bit taxi plates were on sale,
they did get financial help from social to  purchase them.
also the immigration Council are a secretive organisation, up to all sorts of bogy stuff.the truth will never come out,
Vetting is one,
No way can a background checks be done.
Can anyone fine out if what i say is right or wrong.
I don't think so.

100% spot on, I have been in west Africa with the defence forces and there is simply no way the countries I was in could have any meaningful vetting of citizens, their societies are barely functioning day to day never mind comprehensive administration and record keeping on every citizen.
I was told by a public servant that many asylum seekers were given help to get taxi licences, I was also told they do not have to pay any income tax on earned income for 24 months after first starting work in Ireland.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Dr. Martin Gooter Bling on October 05, 2017, 11:26:10 pm
Joe, before all these Africans came over we could leave our houses unlocked at night.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Taxi driver42 on October 05, 2017, 11:55:23 pm
Them African lads sure know dublin well ::fds
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 06, 2017, 02:02:14 am
A lot qualified before the Kathleen Doyle test was introduced, the Garda exam had a 99.9999999999943% pass rate.

As above, please post the media reports when you can be arsed Tim. Irish people do have a tendency to tell the odd story, particularly when they feel the audience wants to hear it.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Shallowhal on October 06, 2017, 02:10:18 am
Q1;What's the quickest and most direct route from Heuston Station to Connolly Station?

Ans; You show...i go.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Dr. Martin Gooter Bling on October 06, 2017, 02:29:28 am
Joe, I picked Kathleen Doyle up once. I wanted to tell her that she ruined the taxi industry. She was'nt interested though. She just wanted to be brought to her destination Joe.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 06, 2017, 02:36:54 am
To be fair, Ms. Doyle's reforms are working quite well. Look at the mileage some of the men have reported clocking up on their cars, they're not covering that ground without trousering a decent wedge in the current economic climate.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 06, 2017, 08:27:59 am
The test is easy to get if you know the questions
Learn the questions that come up just like the theory test
One place in dublin around along time has%95 of the questions and answers
Like what most students do learn past questions and answers
I know a guy got it last month through a taxi school I wont say what one

Not true at all, I done the course you're talking about and although it was of some help they certainly do not have anywhere near 90% of the questions.

There is a random database of questions that can come up in any order, it is next to impossible to rote learn the answers which is proven by the over 90% failure rate.

Some people get lucky with the range of questions they are presented with but they're are in the minority. To say the test is easily passed proves that you have not done it yourself.

Hold on there Tim...is the test not based on multiple choice questions? If so, then you have a 1 in 4 chance of guessing right. I can assure you the test I sat in Bolton St had no such luxury....you either knew roads running adjacent to other roads or you didn't.....you either knew how to write down the quickest way from Stena Line's express route from Dun Laoghaire to the Airport naming ALL major arterial roads or you didn't. You had to know who Frank Lambert was and where James Joyce had his first wank etc etc...nothing simple about it at all...but people could read and write back then and didn't rely on an app to tell them their wisdom tooth needed pulling... In fact the only multiples involved were some of the schizoids sitting said test.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Taxi driver42 on October 06, 2017, 09:43:45 am
The test is easy to get if you know the questions
Learn the questions that come up just like the theory test
One place in dublin around along time has%95 of the questions and answers
Like what most students do learn past questions and answers
I know a guy got it last month through a taxi school I wont say what one

Not true at all, I done the course you're talking about and although it was of some help they certainly do not have anywhere near 90% of the questions.

There is a random database of questions that can come up in any order, it is next to impossible to rote learn the answers which is proven by the over 90% failure rate.

Some people get lucky with the range of questions they are presented with but they're are in the minority. To say the test is easily passed proves that you have not done it yourself.

I know a polish lad 9 months here has it passed
My mate never lived in cork but got it on his third attempt through that school
He met a mot in his taxi up here left his wifevand fuckd off to cork were shes from. Never lived there but passed test

Learn the answers to the questions
Its not hard
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: john m on October 06, 2017, 10:45:29 am
When I done it in Finglas I got every question right its a piece of piss .You remember when you were in school you were told to read all the questions first ,well if you did that you got more than half the answers in the questions .Q1 where is Arus an Uchtarain .......Q23 Traveling from Arus An Uchtarain on  Chesterfield Avenue how do you get to the Mansion House on Dawson Street .....Q77 On what street is the Mansion House .In what universe would any government put a test in place that would stop  people coming  off the dole who were willing to buy their own car ,Licence ,Fuel,Insurance ,Cover all their business costs .To listen to some of you talking about the test you would think it was for a Phd .We are only delivery drivers employed to transport boney frames covered in fat unlike Couriers who deliver boxes we dont need to know where we are going all the time we can ask the passenger . You can be certain that somebody somewhere had all the answers and is running classes so all you have to do is learn the answers .Bit like teaching a 5 year old his two times tables .
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 06, 2017, 11:04:23 am
Dublin was the size of Blanch back then...
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 06, 2017, 11:15:35 am
I know for sure, that when the six and a bit taxi plates were on sale,
they did get financial help from social to  purchase them.
also the immigration Council are a secretive organisation, up to all sorts of bogy stuff.the truth will never come out,
Vetting is one,
No way can a background checks be done.
Can anyone fine out if what i say is right or wrong.
I don't think so.

100% spot on, I have been in west Africa with the defence forces and there is simply no way the countries I was in could have any meaningful vetting of citizens, their societies are barely functioning day to day never mind comprehensive administration and record keeping on every citizen.
I was told by a public servant that many asylum seekers were given help to get taxi licences, I was also told they do not have to pay any income tax on earned income for 24 months after first starting work in Ireland.

I was told they'd bigger dongs than us Irish too..........doesn't always translate as fact.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: john m on October 06, 2017, 11:23:58 am
The Government spent coin on the Goodbody report that is what they are working off .It said there was an oversupply now add in the Luas Cross town and the possibility of Dublin Bus being replaced on some routes we dont need any more taxies AT THE MOMENT .Mytaxi might want more drivers but you can be sure the Dep of Transport know that drivers need to earn a certain amount to be viable .Its a bit like Miwaddi if you dilute it to much you destroy it .Saloons are being lost to the industry and replaced by WAVs there is sort of an equilibrium so I cant see them messing with the entry exam it makes a few quid for the examiners who have a contract if it was made simple to pass the government would have to make up the difference between revenue from tests and the amount the contract is for.  They might end up increasing the test fee to 500 or a grand ..Cant see to many changes in the format .Taxi issue dealth with in 2012 government now moved on to Housing Abortion Brexit couldnt be bothered wasting any more time on us .
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 06, 2017, 11:27:35 am
Boris the Blade will strike before midnight tomorrow...7/4 Laddies.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: IrishTim1 on October 06, 2017, 11:30:34 am
I know for sure, that when the six and a bit taxi plates were on sale,
they did get financial help from social to  purchase them.
also the immigration Council are a secretive organisation, up to all sorts of bogy stuff.the truth will never come out,
Vetting is one,
No way can a background checks be done.
Can anyone fine out if what i say is right or wrong.
I don't think so.

100% spot on, I have been in west Africa with the defence forces and there is simply no way the countries I was in could have any meaningful vetting of citizens, their societies are barely functioning day to day never mind comprehensive administration and record keeping on every citizen.
I was told by a public servant that many asylum seekers were given help to get taxi licences, I was also told they do not have to pay any income tax on earned income for 24 months after first starting work in Ireland.

I was told they'd bigger dongs than us Irish too..........doesn't always translate as fact.

Besides your facetious attempt to take away from the issues, they are facts. It amazes me how many of you are willing to stand idly by while your livelihood is being undermined.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: john m on October 06, 2017, 11:30:53 am
Boris the Blade will strike before midnight tomorrow...7/4 Laddies.

Et Tu Borris Michael Grove or Philip Hammond will do Borris .He is a silly schoolboy .
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: john m on October 06, 2017, 11:32:11 am
I know for sure, that when the six and a bit taxi plates were on sale,
they did get financial help from social to  purchase them.
also the immigration Council are a secretive organisation, up to all sorts of bogy stuff.the truth will never come out,
Vetting is one,
No way can a background checks be done.
Can anyone fine out if what i say is right or wrong.
I don't think so.

100% spot on, I have been in west Africa with the defence forces and there is simply no way the countries I was in could have any meaningful vetting of citizens, their societies are barely functioning day to day never mind comprehensive administration and record keeping on every citizen.
I was told by a public servant that many asylum seekers were given help to get taxi licences, I was also told they do not have to pay any income tax on earned income for 24 months after first starting work in Ireland.

I was told they'd bigger dongs than us Irish too..........doesn't always translate as fact.

Besides your facetious attempt to take away from the issues, they are facts. It amazes me how many of you are willing to stand idly by while your livelihood is being undermined.

 Show us the facts .
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 06, 2017, 11:34:05 am
So is Prince Phillip, but Boris is a member of the Bullingdon Club...Oxford's finest first class hons grads....silly??...Nah...doubt it. He just plays on his deceptive self-deprecation to befuddle the thick cunts who vote.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 06, 2017, 11:35:51 am
I know for sure, that when the six and a bit taxi plates were on sale,
they did get financial help from social to  purchase them.
also the immigration Council are a secretive organisation, up to all sorts of bogy stuff.the truth will never come out,
Vetting is one,
No way can a background checks be done.
Can anyone fine out if what i say is right or wrong.
I don't think so.

100% spot on, I have been in west Africa with the defence forces and there is simply no way the countries I was in could have any meaningful vetting of citizens, their societies are barely functioning day to day never mind comprehensive administration and record keeping on every citizen.
I was told by a public servant that many asylum seekers were given help to get taxi licences, I was also told they do not have to pay any income tax on earned income for 24 months after first starting work in Ireland.

I was told they'd bigger dongs than us Irish too..........doesn't always translate as fact.

Besides your facetious attempt to take away from the issues, they are facts. It amazes me how many of you are willing to stand idly by while your livelihood is being undermined.

You, Sir, are a 5th columnist...away with you and find another crusade to chase down. My livelihood is as secure as my manhood.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: john m on October 06, 2017, 11:40:42 am
So is Prince Phillip, but Boris is a member of the Bullingdon Club...Oxford's finest first class hons grads....silly??...Nah...doubt it. He just plays on his deceptive self-deprecation to befuddle the thick cunts who vote.

  Na Borris is a fool .Britain in on the brink of a civil explosion so is Spain .We are being anesthetized with the prospect of an abortion referendum to follow on from the Water Charges to prevent us noticing the whole EU charade is falling apart .Donny T is now going to turn on Iran after Kim Kis my Hole sent him running with his tail between his legs
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 06, 2017, 11:43:11 am
Ok calm down lads hola...I used to post on a biker site a long time a ago and one of the resident coppers told us a few facts... the old exam had only about 100 questions that were sampled from for over a decade.After a while the PSV training wankers got them all.Meaning that for a few quid you bought the questions and answers.Even if yer English wasn't great and you just got off the banana boat you'd pass with little effort.

Me oul fella sat the old test in Finglas and said the supervisor was offering help to candidates who wanted it.I mean giving them the answers if needed.The candidates were openly sharing the answers too.

The bike copper on the site also said that the new exam has at least a couple of thousand questions in the data base that get spat out randomly.

The questions are multiple choice but it's not simply a one in four chance.The questions are asked in a way that unless you know yer stuff you will not bluff yer way through it.The pass mark is 80%.There are about 36 questions on the geography exam but I'm open to correction on that.
For example....which one of the following streets does not join the North wall?
Commons street
Guild street
East wall rd
Mayor street

Yer photo is taken in the test center so you can't sit it for yer mate.It's printed out on the sheet that you submit to the carriage office if ya pass.Silverballs and Frank can confirm.I think they sat it.

My brother got sent on one of those PSV training courses by the welfare and I've seen the notes they give victims and they're shit To be frank they're probably helping to keep more lads out than anything else. I'd make a much better training course meself if I was so inclined.None of those idiots in the training schools have passed it so they are scamming trainees.In fact one of the questions I saw related to the location of the taxi regulators office on Fitz square.Firstly there is none anymore and hasn't been on Fitz sq for years..

Unfortunately I can't confirm where James Joyce had his first pedal but the answer to the above ceist is Mayor street...but the test is easy so yis already knew the answer...

The new entrants who passed the harder tests have L badges and above.There aren't many African lads with post L badges.



 

Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 06, 2017, 11:55:59 am
Mercenary, you'll come back whiter than my St Bernard t-shirt ;) if you keep logging on here.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 06, 2017, 12:03:13 pm
I don't like the sun I just like drinking in me flip flops.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Shallowhal on October 06, 2017, 12:05:14 pm
Mercenary, you'll come back whiter than my St Bernard t-shirt ;) if you keep logging on here.

Some fuks just can't help themselves...it's an addiction!! lol
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: IrishTim1 on October 06, 2017, 12:12:17 pm
I know for sure, that when the six and a bit taxi plates were on sale,
they did get financial help from social to  purchase them.
also the immigration Council are a secretive organisation, up to all sorts of bogy stuff.the truth will never come out,
Vetting is one,
No way can a background checks be done.
Can anyone fine out if what i say is right or wrong.
I don't think so.

100% spot on, I have been in west Africa with the defence forces and there is simply no way the countries I was in could have any meaningful vetting of citizens, their societies are barely functioning day to day never mind comprehensive administration and record keeping on every citizen.
I was told by a public servant that many asylum seekers were given help to get taxi licences, I was also told they do not have to pay any income tax on earned income for 24 months after first starting work in Ireland.

I was told they'd bigger dongs than us Irish too..........doesn't always translate as fact.

Besides your facetious attempt to take away from the issues, they are facts. It amazes me how many of you are willing to stand idly by while your livelihood is being undermined.

You, Sir, are a 5th columnist...away with you and find another crusade to chase down. My livelihood is as secure as my manhood.

Says the fella who's standing on the sidelines whilst his livelihood is being undermined. You're a silly boy!
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: hippocampus on October 06, 2017, 01:01:43 pm
Here's a  sample ceist from the newbie test lads...

1. Where in Dublin is it illegal to shoot a weapon before the Quare Wan has an orgasm:
A. Darndale
B. Leopardstown
C. Dalkey
D. Darndale.

Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: hippocampus on October 06, 2017, 01:02:39 pm
Another one:
2. Oneirogomophobia is the fear of what:
A. Joe Duffy
B. Lesbian Vampires
C. Wet Dreams
D. Leo's piles.

Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: hippocampus on October 06, 2017, 01:03:39 pm
And again...Rats has me monitored well the rascal....

3.According to the Southside news, how many women in Neilstown have never experienced an orgasm?
A. Nil
B. 5%
C. Nil
D. Nil

Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: hippocampus on October 06, 2017, 01:04:16 pm
And another....

4. Which famous Dublin entertainer has his breasts insured for 600k?
A. John M
B. Panty Bliss
C. Shan Mohangi
D. Tony from Laois.

Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: hippocampus on October 06, 2017, 01:05:02 pm
And penultimately...

5. According to  The Northcider Taximan's analytical institute of statistics , how many Taximen have engaged in booty sex within the past 5 yrs?
A .Not sayin'
B. Depends on whether I'm on days or nights
C. That would be an ecumenical matter
4. 80%.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: hippocampus on October 06, 2017, 01:09:35 pm
And...the climax............

According to the women's institute within T.I.T. there off High St in Tallaghtfornia...which had the best soporific effect(sleep aid).

A. Night Nurse combined with Special Brew.
B. One of Belker's fuckin' stories.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Shallowhal on October 06, 2017, 01:15:30 pm
Here's a  sample ceist from the newbie test lads...

1. Where in Dublin is it illegal to shoot a weapon before the Quare Wan has an orgasm:
A. Darndale
B. Leopardstown
C. Dalkey
D. Darndale.

Darndale
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Shallowhal on October 06, 2017, 01:16:25 pm
Another one:
2. Oneirogomophobia is the fear of what:
A. Joe Duffy
B. Lesbian Vampires
C. Wet Dreams
D. Leo's piles.

Wet dreams
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Shallowhal on October 06, 2017, 01:17:04 pm
And again...Rats has me monitored well the rascal....

3.According to the Southside news, how many women in Neilstown have never experienced an orgasm?
A. Nil
B. 5%
C. Nil
D. Nil

5%
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Shallowhal on October 06, 2017, 01:17:57 pm
And another....

4. Which famous Dublin entertainer has his breasts insured for 600k?
A. John M
B. Panty Bliss
C. Shan Mohangi
D. Tony from Laois.

Want to say Pantless...but it's Ermy
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Shallowhal on October 06, 2017, 01:19:21 pm
And penultimately...

5. According to  The Northcider Taximan's analytical institute of statistics , how many Taximen have engaged in booty sex within the past 5 yrs?
A .Not sayin'
B. Depends on whether I'm on days or nights
C. That would be an ecumenical matter
4. 80%.

As my phone notification says....that would be an ecumenical matter
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Shallowhal on October 06, 2017, 01:20:07 pm
And...the climax............

According to the women's institute within T.I.T. there off High St in Tallaghtfornia...which had the best soporific effect(sleep aid).

A. Night Nurse combined with Special Brew.
B. One of Belker's fuckin' stories.

A and B
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: hippocampus on October 06, 2017, 01:28:57 pm
 ;)............
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 06, 2017, 02:52:13 pm
There was this man who walked into a bar and says to the bartender 10 shots of whiskey. The bartender asks, "What's the matter?" The man says, "I found out my brother is gay and marrying my best friend."

The next day the same man comes in and orders 12 shots of whiskey. The bartenders asks, "What's wrong this time?" The man says, "I found out that my son is gay."

The next day the same man comes in the bar and orders 15 shots of whiskey. Then the bartender asks, "Doesn't anyone in your family like women?" The man looks up and says, "Apparently my wife does."
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 06, 2017, 02:57:39 pm
Me oul fella sat the old test in Finglas and said the supervisor was offering help to candidates who wanted it.I mean giving them the answers if needed.The candidates were openly sharing the answers too.


Same when I sat the "test" in Harcourt Street. The hardest part of the process was proving oneself to be unemployable, as was required to collect the badge at that time.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 06, 2017, 03:06:08 pm
Says the fella who's standing on the sidelines whilst his livelihood is being undermined. You're a silly boy!

A bit melodramatic, Tim. I don't think anyone's livelihood is under threat. As things stand it seems that the trade is in reasonably good shape. Of course there are challenges ahead. With dispatch firms reporting that they can't satisfy demand drivers are right to fear another influx of drivers. Our Government's commitment to boom/bust economics coupled with our memories of the last recession justifiably causes concern.

Anywaysanall, excuse my ignorance. I neglected to thank you for your service in our defence forces. Perhaps you can help us understand the challenges military men face in returning to civilian life. Within our trade there seems to be a perception that all ex-soldiers have huge pensions and only seek to join the ranks (if you'll excuse the pun) to occupy themselves.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 06, 2017, 03:11:22 pm
B C A B C A, there was 6 questions, right?
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Admin on October 06, 2017, 03:51:44 pm
Use of duplicate accounts is not permitted, hippocampus/The Liffey Lip. Which user name would you like to retain?

A. hippocampus
B. The Liffey Lip
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Shallowhal on October 06, 2017, 04:02:04 pm
Ooh....the handbags are out!!
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 06, 2017, 04:21:50 pm
Use of duplicate accounts is not permitted, hippocampus/The Liffey Lip. Which user name would you like to retain?

A. hippocampus
B. The Liffey Lip

 The Parnell St solicitor, albeit from China originally, Sue Yoo, told me to be careful when dealing with nameless people.
 




Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: hippocampus on October 06, 2017, 04:28:52 pm
That gay traffic fella, from Nth Korea still working Parnell Sq?...Noh Wei Ding.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: IrishTim1 on October 06, 2017, 06:26:15 pm
Says the fella who's standing on the sidelines whilst his livelihood is being undermined. You're a silly boy!

A bit melodramatic, Tim. I don't think anyone's livelihood is under threat. As things stand it seems that the trade is in reasonably good shape. Of course there are challenges ahead. With dispatch firms reporting that they can't satisfy demand drivers are right to fear another influx of drivers. Our Government's commitment to boom/bust economics coupled with our memories of the last recession justifiably causes concern.

Anywaysanall, excuse my ignorance. I neglected to thank you for your service in our defence forces. Perhaps you can help us understand the challenges military men face in returning to civilian life. Within our trade there seems to be a perception that all ex-soldiers have huge pensions and only seek to join the ranks (if you'll excuse the pun) to occupy themselves.

I don't think it's melodramatic at all, these schemes to undermine all workers are hatched in the back corridors and shadows of government, driven by big business and self serving careerist politicians. The only reason the industry is currently doing okay is a direct result of the justified difficult knowledge test and the restriction on saloon plates if either of those two is undermined the entire taxi industry would be on the floor within months.
If dispatch firms can't cover their workload then perhaps they should not be in business as their business model is obviously not viable, if they offer enough incentive to drivers they will have their work covered and if punters want to convenience of being picked up at their required time they will have to pay a premium for it. The recession is over, it's about time we all got up off our knees and stopped being so subservient just because we are getting what we are rightfully owed.

As for the Defence forces, it's a grand job for a few years but hasn't been a career job for well over ten years now, anyone who joined after 2004 and who serves 21 years will no longer be entitled to an army pension immediately upon leaving, they must wait until they're 55.
Meaning a lad who joins the army at 17 and leaves after 21 years at age 38 will have to start fresh in the workplace with no pension, not a great position to be in having given their best years to such a demanding job. Most soldiers leave the army with no employable skills for life in civvy street and no pension now either, you'd have to be mad to join these days.

The current rate of pay for a private in the army after training is about €340 after tax, I don't know how they can live on it and goes some way to explaining why they are leaving in their droves.

Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 07, 2017, 10:50:01 am
Use of duplicate accounts is not permitted, hippocampus/The Liffey Lip. Which user name would you like to retain?

A. hippocampus
B. The Liffey Lip

You've chosen for me anyway, Admin. The only reason I posted under hippo originally was to counter what Belker had said earlier about me being Busby 78 and IrishTim...you see the real issue that hippo left and moved to Cape Canaveral. Put me back under The Lip will ya mate? The demons in hippos will surely arise to the fore otherwise. Mother is calling me now for my dinner. 8) I was advised not to use my old username anyway as it had expired...
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Shallowhal on October 07, 2017, 02:49:13 pm
Had a tear in me eye readin that hippo/lip... lol
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 07, 2017, 03:17:32 pm
I'm not sue what schemes you're talking about, Tim. Business and the public in general require a taxi service that is fit for purpose. Of course the authorities are going to look elsewhere (hackneys, local area hackneys, rideshare or whatever) if taxis can't deliver that service. The Dundalk "scheme" was part of establishing county based Taximeter Areas. The Tax "scheme" applies to everybody taking up self-employment, efficient tax planning is all that is. There are other schemes aimed at getting idlers to work such as BTWEA, etc... they all make sense and are generally successful.

The fact that the vast majority of taxi drivers manage quite well having never sat the Kathleen Doyle test is proof positive that it is not justified. It may be justifiable but such justification would require making it mandatory for all drivers to pass the test periodically, cities evolves as time progresses. Lifting the temporary moratorium on the issue of saloon taxi plates makes no sense, the current policy is working very well.

We thought that the trade would collapse on deregulation. I recall Minister Molloy telling me that it might't be as bad as we thought. In essence he was right, it didn't collapse within weeks or months, in fact trade increased in the short-medium term as increased supply encouraged increased utilisation. The collapse came some eight years after deregulation when the economy collapsed. Minister Dempsey noted, at that time, that there will be no significant improvement in trade until the economy recovers. Again, he was right. Our Government's commitment to boom/bust economics is the biggest threat to our livelihoods regardless of any tinkering with the rules in between.

It's a shame that the defence forces don't invest in helping retiring soldiers further their careers in the civilian arena. It seems crazy that so many simply discard their skills and opt to drive cabs.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 07, 2017, 05:01:00 pm
Back to the original topic a little I see another terrorist attack in London using a Prius.Surely this was a factor when they were revoking the licence.Or maybe another coincidence...
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: watty on October 07, 2017, 06:17:53 pm
Daily Mail is calling it a registered mini-cab (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4958398/Car-mounts-pavement-outside-Natural-History-Museum.html) (Prius)
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 07, 2017, 06:55:04 pm
Chances are he was an Uber...if it was it's another nail in the coffin for them even if it wasn't their fault.I thought it was a bit strange that tfl used the phrase 'security concerns' when explaining the licence withdrawal.Surely safety concerns would be more appropriate when referring to passengers?

I also didn't realise the other Prius attempt was an Uber a few months ago.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/01/buckingham-palace-terror-suspect-had-tried-to-get-to-windsor-castle (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/01/buckingham-palace-terror-suspect-had-tried-to-get-to-windsor-castle)
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: silverbullet on October 07, 2017, 07:58:37 pm
I'm not sue what schemes you're talking about, Tim. Business and the public in general require a taxi service that is fit for purpose. Of course the authorities are going to look elsewhere (hackneys, local area hackneys, rideshare or whatever) if taxis can't deliver that service. The Dundalk "scheme" was part of establishing county based Taximeter Areas. The Tax "scheme" applies to everybody taking up self-employment, efficient tax planning is all that is. There are other schemes aimed at getting idlers to work such as BTWEA, etc... they all make sense and are generally successful.

The fact that the vast majority of taxi drivers manage quite well having never sat the Kathleen Doyle test is proof positive that it is not justified. It may be justifiable but such justification would require making it mandatory for all drivers to pass the test periodically, cities evolves as time progresses. Lifting the temporary moratorium on the issue of saloon taxi plates makes no sense, the current policy is working very well.

We thought that the trade would collapse on deregulation. I recall Minister Molloy telling me that it might't be as bad as we thought. In essence he was right, it didn't collapse within weeks or months, in fact trade increased in the short-medium term as increased supply encouraged increased utilisation. The collapse came some eight years after deregulation when the economy collapsed. Minister Dempsey noted, at that time, that there will be no significant improvement in trade until the economy recovers. Again, he was right. Our Government's commitment to boom/bust economics is the biggest threat to our livelihoods regardless of any tinkering with the rules in between.

It's a shame that the defence forces don't invest in helping retiring soldiers further their careers in the civilian arena. It seems crazy that so many simply discard their skills and opt to drive cabs.
The state gave redundant soldiers options to join, fire brigade, corpo, taxi etc after service. SPSV's were given to most of the defence forces, regardless of literacy.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: IrishTim1 on October 07, 2017, 10:13:24 pm
I'm not sue what schemes you're talking about, Tim. Business and the public in general require a taxi service that is fit for purpose. Of course the authorities are going to look elsewhere (hackneys, local area hackneys, rideshare or whatever) if taxis can't deliver that service. The Dundalk "scheme" was part of establishing county based Taximeter Areas. The Tax "scheme" applies to everybody taking up self-employment, efficient tax planning is all that is. There are other schemes aimed at getting idlers to work such as BTWEA, etc... they all make sense and are generally successful.

The fact that the vast majority of taxi drivers manage quite well having never sat the Kathleen Doyle test is proof positive that it is not justified. It may be justifiable but such justification would require making it mandatory for all drivers to pass the test periodically, cities evolves as time progresses. Lifting the temporary moratorium on the issue of saloon taxi plates makes no sense, the current policy is working very well.

We thought that the trade would collapse on deregulation. I recall Minister Molloy telling me that it might't be as bad as we thought. In essence he was right, it didn't collapse within weeks or months, in fact trade increased in the short-medium term as increased supply encouraged increased utilisation. The collapse came some eight years after deregulation when the economy collapsed. Minister Dempsey noted, at that time, that there will be no significant improvement in trade until the economy recovers. Again, he was right. Our Government's commitment to boom/bust economics is the biggest threat to our livelihoods regardless of any tinkering with the rules in between.

It's a shame that the defence forces don't invest in helping retiring soldiers further their careers in the civilian arena. It seems crazy that so many simply discard their skills and opt to drive cabs.
The state gave redundant soldiers options to join, fire brigade, corpo, taxi etc after service. SPSV's were given to most of the defence forces, regardless of literacy.


Hahahaha what a crock of shit, not on your nelly!
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 08, 2017, 12:02:14 pm
Had a tear in me eye readin that hippo/lip... lol

Same over On Roy's...you're the biggest agent provocateur there is Hal, but very cunning with it...backhanded compliments... ;)
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 08, 2017, 02:29:16 pm
The state gave redundant soldiers options to join, fire brigade, corpo, taxi etc after service. SPSV's were given to most of the defence forces, regardless of literacy.

I don't think literacy is a requirement for any driver. I know we have to keep pen and paper in the car but, AFAIK, there's no regulation imposing any degree of proficiency in utilisation of the same upon drivers.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 08, 2017, 03:00:16 pm
Chances are he was an Uber...if it was it's another nail in the coffin for them even if it wasn't their fault.I thought it was a bit strange that tfl used the phrase 'security concerns' when explaining the licence withdrawal.Surely safety concerns would be more appropriate when referring to passengers?

I also didn't realise the other Prius attempt was an Uber a few months ago.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/01/buckingham-palace-terror-suspect-had-tried-to-get-to-windsor-castle (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/01/buckingham-palace-terror-suspect-had-tried-to-get-to-windsor-castle)

As you note, that's not an Uber problem. It's either a problem with vetting or a problem with Pryeye. Banning Pryeye probably isn't a solution as the terrorists would just use black cabs, a ploy that was used by the IRA back in the day. Vetting drivers is a function of TfL so they may be trying to divert attention from their own failings but I doubt they'd expect such a tactic to withstand legal scrutiny. Their vetting procedure is actually highly regarded. I know Swords Driver proposed adopting a system here that was broadly similar to TfLs. That proposal was adopted by at least one of our unions and supported within other submissions to Kathleen Doyle's review. Alas, it wasn't adopted.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 08, 2017, 03:37:50 pm
I'd say Mohammed and his brothers would have more chance of finding 89 virgins in this life than getting the green badge just to drive over unsuspecting folks.

But seriously I'm thinking they've a problem over there with bogeys getting access to prime London locations without being noticed in the unmarked mini cabs .The anti terror crowd have a few thousand people under survielance at any one time.I'd say they'd love a back door into the Uber network but were told no.I remember the Us government throwing a tantrum because Microsoft and Sony didn't wanna give them access to their PlayStation and Xbox gaming networks.All speculation though.I'm sure many of these guys frequent the same mosques which causes some to be tarred with the same brush.Tin foil hats all round.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 08, 2017, 03:55:43 pm
You don't need a badge to pick up a black cab. Why would the met look for a back door into Uber when TfL can give them access to all licensed drivers' portfolios? If terrorists realised that their Pryeye only came under scrutiny if they signed for Uber after being licensed by TfL they'd simply sign for Addison Leee or any of the other 148,254 minicab firms operating in London.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 08, 2017, 04:13:27 pm
For the first time in history we've put these smartphones in our pockets that can monitor our location in real time and other juicy stuff.These apps are a govermment agency wet dream for surveillance.Both driver and passenger apps.

I'd say plenty are being watched that have clean records just because they've associated with others who aren't so clean in the past.Ya see what happens when ya don't drink for 8 hours I'm turning into a paranoid lunatic..

https://youtu.be/VtwQVSYYVrk
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 09, 2017, 11:53:31 am
For the first time in history we've put these smartphones in our pockets that can monitor our location in real time and other juicy stuff.These apps are a govermment agency wet dream for surveillance.Both driver and passenger apps.

I'd say plenty are being watched that have clean records just because they've associated with others who aren't so clean in the past.Ya see what happens when ya don't drink for 8 hours I'm turning into a paranoid lunatic..

https://youtu.be/VtwQVSYYVrk


Not sure about that. Didn't we have people queuing up at one stage to divest themselves of their sins in confession? The old station sergeant knew who was tickling Mrs Fairchild's bumble bee before she knew herself.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 09, 2017, 11:59:49 am
Cell tower data has been around for a while, too. That was instrumental in convicting Joe O'Reilly for murdering his own wife.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 09, 2017, 12:48:31 pm
Yeah but that requires a bit of effort for the cell triangulation thingy where our driver/passenger  apps are designed to find us quickly.Back later off to the sauna..
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Taxi driver42 on October 09, 2017, 09:42:56 pm
Cell tower data has been around for a while, too. That was instrumental in convicting Joe O'Reilly for murdering his own wife.


He looked guilty too
Say that convinced the jury too
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: john m on October 13, 2017, 12:29:57 pm
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41606965 (http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41606965)
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 13, 2017, 03:38:38 pm
Security implications.Very odd wording.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 13, 2017, 04:01:23 pm
All-comers welcome...fat people pay in...rest are free.

http://www.dublinconcerts.ie/concert/hippo-campus-the-academy-2-october-14th-2017 (http://www.dublinconcerts.ie/concert/hippo-campus-the-academy-2-october-14th-2017)
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Shallowhal on October 13, 2017, 04:24:04 pm
All-comers welcome...fat people pay in...rest are free.

[url]http://www.dublinconcerts.ie/concert/hippo-campus-the-academy-2-october-14th-2017[/url] ([url]http://www.dublinconcerts.ie/concert/hippo-campus-the-academy-2-october-14th-2017[/url])


Looking forward to seeing both of yis there!
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 14, 2017, 07:36:06 am
That's a bit like yer wife's thong, Hal...stale and over-used.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Shallowhal on October 14, 2017, 02:52:19 pm
That's a bit like yer wife's thong, Hal...stale and over-used.

Very personal Lip....wouldn't expect anything different though,i know you don't like to disappoint!!
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 14, 2017, 06:00:54 pm
No, nothing personal shelly....just the duo reference is a bit Normanish after the mother self-deprecation stuff.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Shallowhal on October 14, 2017, 06:33:41 pm
No, nothing personal shelly....just the duo reference is a bit Normanish after the mother self-deprecation stuff.

Was referring to yourself and hippo btw!!
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: mercenary for hire on November 01, 2017, 08:45:46 am
Bumpy....that looper in New York turns out to be another Uber driver for what it's worth.Although this time he rented a truck.
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on November 08, 2017, 01:53:23 am
http://www.cityam.com/275207/tfl-boss-plans-fresh-talks-ubers-chief-executive-over-loss (http://www.cityam.com/275207/tfl-boss-plans-fresh-talks-ubers-chief-executive-over-loss)

Transport for London's commissioner Mike Brown said today he is planning fresh talks with Uber's chief executive, raising hopes that a resolution over the ride-hailing app's loss of its London licence can be reached before the matter heads to court.

"I'm hoping that in the next few weeks I'll be able to have another meeting at a senior level with their chief executive and we'll see where we go from there, but at the moment yes, there is some dialogue continuing between us," Brown told City A.M..

The TfL commissioner added that Uber has "come up with some interesting ideas about how they might ensure that they can continue to operate", which will entail "abiding by what we require of them, and what Londoners, I think, would expect them to do".
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Rat Catcher on November 15, 2017, 03:34:09 pm
Sadiq Khan hints that Uber will get new London licence:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sadiq-khan-hints-that-uber-will-get-new-london-licence-z6xb8r99z (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sadiq-khan-hints-that-uber-will-get-new-london-licence-z6xb8r99z)
Title: Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
Post by: Belker on November 15, 2017, 06:05:14 pm
The Arab 'Bent over', hardly surprising !