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[john m]

I see the mistake you made, MfH. They have 10 times the number of cases which is less per capita. Given the difference in how long it takes to identify cases here and there they probably have significantly less than 10 times ours which obviously equates to significantly less per capita.

The higher death rate in the UK is interesting given it's vastly superior health service. There are bodies of research that suggest the BCG vaccine could be the answer to that. The suggestion is that BCG strengthened some relevant bit of the immune system or some such. We abandoned BCG approx 10 years after the UK, if memory serves.

Can you substantiate that claim or is it just dragged up from a Bottle .

[Rat Catcher]

Which claim?

[john m]

Which claim?

We abandoned BCG approx 10 years after the UK,

[Rat Catcher]

No, it's open to correction. Like I said... "if memory serves"...

[Rat Catcher]

I wasn't far off:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/bcg-tb-vaccine-questions-answers/

The BCG is no longer offered to children in secondary schools in the UK. It was replaced in 2005 with a targeted programme for babies, children and young adults at higher risk of TB.

This is because TB rates in this country are low in the general population.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/news/bcg2018.html

The BCG vaccine has not been administered routinely to babies in Ireland since 2015 due to global stock issues.

The National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC) expert committee of the Royal College of Physicians in Ireland makes recommendations on vaccination policy.

The National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC) and the Health Information and Quality Authority (HIQA) have both recommended that BCG vaccine does not now need to be given routinely to all children in Ireland.

[john m]

I wasn't far off:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/bcg-tb-vaccine-questions-answers/

The BCG is no longer offered to children in secondary schools in the UK. It was replaced in 2005 with a targeted programme for babies, children and young adults at higher risk of TB.

This is because TB rates in this country are low in the general population.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/news/bcg2018.html

The BCG vaccine has not been administered routinely to babies in Ireland since 2015 due to global stock issues.

The National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC) expert committee of the Royal College of Physicians in Ireland makes recommendations on vaccination policy.

The National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC) and the Health Information and Quality Authority (HIQA) have both recommended that BCG vaccine does not now need to be given routinely to all children in Ireland.

Does not far off mean Wrong .

[Rat Catcher]

2015 - 2005 = 10. Hope that helps.

[mercenary for hire]

Corona cases would be relative to numbers tested.The death rate would be the one that would concern me.Most of the population will get this but the lack of ventilators will be what decides if you live or not.

They're picking and choosing already who gets the ventilators depending on your age and or other illnesses.

[TheDevilHimself]

Corona cases would be relative to numbers tested.The death rate would be the one that would concern me.Most of the population will get this but the lack of ventilators will be what decides if you live or not.

They're picking and choosing already who gets the ventilators depending on your age and or other illnesses.

  "Most of the population will get this" What exactly are you basing that on ? and "They're picking and choosing already who gets the ventilators depending on your age and or other illnesses"  what makes you think this?

[mercenary for hire]

The HSE have already said 60/70% of the population will be infected.

It's policy now in hospitals all over the world where there are more patients than ventilators they will grade each patient depending on their ages and other illnesses.They won't put that on the news because it's a horrible way to be taken out.

So if you have an another illness or are a lifelong smoker with a related respiratory problem or just a fat bollix (most of us)you'll get second preference on the machines to a younger bloke more likely to survive it without other ailments.

That probably sounds mental but they have a duty to keep the maximum number of people alive.So probably best for us taxi drivers to stay out of hospital.

I find that much more believable than the lads trying to say it's all overblown bullshit.

[john m]

.Its simple but we dont like to admit .People are only economic units they earn between the ages of 18 and 66 .Children are to expensive for a country to breed their own with school and childrens allowances and childcare so we have immigration import ready to work people from overseas .Life is a conveyor belt .Thats why they invented Heaven give you something to look forward to when society dosent need you anymore .Survival of the Strongest.Fittest ,Richest in that order .Dont be surprised if the issue of Euthanasia comes onto the Political agenda .

[TheDevilHimself]

I'ts mad  The H.S.E. hitherto a joke!  an overpriced overmanaged mess has now become the fountain of all knowledge, pulling figures out of their asses which everyone now accepts unquestioningly. even when they  keep changing those same  numbers ..  It's amazing how they simultaneously know so much and so little. 

[john m]

Devil what I find amazing is the early School leaver Harris was an Inept useless Minister in Fact it was the threat of a No confidence vote in him triggered a General election but now he is the Go 2 Guy .Look at the figures for empty hospital beds as the Staff are all engaged in Covid Work .So obviously there is a huge lack of staff to cater for other patients .I suppose operating theatres are closed down .be interesting to see the sums did covid 19 cost the HSE more money or did they actually save money by keeping those beds empty .

[Rat Catcher]

HSE have made it clear from the outset that the virus must spread through the entire population. That's the only way to build what they call community immunity, whatever that means. The objective has always been to manage the spread, hopefully in accordance with available medical resources.

I haven't heard of a shortage of ventilators in Ireland or the UK or of such choices being made to date, MfH. All jurisdictions are, of course, concerned about future demand. However, HSE has tracked Hector Grey down to a shed in China via a popular online auction site and has ordered millions of bits and pieces including ventilators which they hope will work or at least look like they work for the TV cameras. No shortage of hungry cunts in Aer Lingus applying for the 25 hour shifts to collect the shite either.

[mercenary for hire]

There's a world wide shortage on ventilators.They had some ventilator reverse engineering expo in Galway a couple of weeks ago so nerdy blokes could try and make their own out of household materials.

Tesla have made one out of their car parts so that they can scale up production rapidly.Lots of other car makers done similar.

One of the ventilator manufacturers have released the patents and made their design open source.There will only be a shortage if they don't flatten the famous curve.