covid economics

[john m]

I don't think 24% commission is our biggest problem just yet.Watch the app and radio companies discount the PUC again as soon as they think drivers will take it. That's gonna be the biggest hit to incomes in the next 12 months.

So potentially two quid a job gone and 15% commission from the remaining fare.With our costs at an all-time high.We deserve everything coming to us TBH.We're far too eager to chase virtual medals and put free advertising on our vehicles.Can't wait.

Here is the way I see it Merc about 20% of drivers wont return and after a few weeks a lot of renters will give up .Night life as we knew it is over Pubs and Nightclubs will be decimated along with restaurants ,about 30% of them will not reopen .Shopping has moved on line so a few jobs delivering but lots of lost jobs in retail .Expect at least 12+% unemployment for years .Only secure work is state or semi state .

[mercenary for hire]

I dunno,look how many posters we have desperate to get back behind the wheel.Some will work for fifty a day just to get out of the gaff.Unless the vehicle needs changing they won't be considering leaving the industry.They didn't leave ten years ago so why this time.

Lads on here thinking higher costs will help them make more money.What business school did they attend?What makes them think they're gonna be able to work 14 hours a day like a younger driver.

All taxi companies/apps have in their armoury is discounts.Freenow or the despatch companies haven't had innovation since they brought in card payments.When in doubt discount.

[john m]

Homer said" Abandon Hope all you who enter here "and I dont mean Simpson .IF IF IF the Greens get into power we might have a chance or they could kill us .Ryan wants a big reduction in Emissions .As I forcast earlier farmers will start shooting Dairy cattle as there is no market for milk .How much milk went to restaurants and pubs and hotels and to schools all that market is gone .So emission reductions from agriculture is automatic so Transport is where they will attack .Road pricing ,Congestion Charges no on Street parking for private cars ,pedestrianization could see Taxis as a real alternative transport mode or we could be included but it will take two or three years for a transport plan .If I was under 50 years of age I would be looking elsewhere for work at best the next 3 years will be rough .

P.S. What are the chances we get another Dizzzeeeeezzzzzzeee an outbreak of Foot and Mouth .Farmers know if their heard gets infected they get full commercial value from the state .I think they also get paid if their heard has TB watch the figures for Bovine TB shoot up as farmers cash in .

[dalymount]

John you certainly paint a very bleek picture indeed

[Theoneandonly]

I dunno,look how many posters we have desperate to get back behind the wheel.Some will work for fifty a day just to get out of the gaff.Unless the vehicle needs changing they won't be considering leaving the industry.They didn't leave ten years ago so why this time.

Lads on here thinking higher costs will help them make more money.What business school did they attend?What makes them think they're gonna be able to work 14 hours a day like a younger driver.

All taxi companies/apps have in their armoury is discounts.Freenow or the despatch companies haven't had innovation since they brought in card payments.When in doubt discount.

Child Friendly Taxis, www.childfriendlytaxi.ie have an alternative to discounts
Mick Devine charges double for quality and reliability, unfortunately Taxis are not allowed to do this
Amanda and her crew were doing very well offering tours
there is definitely a demand for eight seater taxis if a group got together (again) remember big 8?
similarly a WAT only service would be hugely popular

Have you ever really considered why Ebbs stopped his 8202020 service?

I have found that passengers are far more concerned about reliability and quality than they are price

My service would be far more popular if I was able to provide a more reliable /quality service, most of the jobs received are declined ... pretty much everything after 7pm, a lot of northside jobs , and when we are quadruple booked (happens occasionally)

I could certainly increase fares over time  if I was able to guarantee a quality, friendly, reliable service ... that is extremely difficult to build with the current fleet, as you know I don't charge drivers so am not a dispatcher in that sense and the 20% saved more than compensates for the discounts (for the most part) but drivers don't seem to see that.

I've long since decided that I don't want the hassle of trying to administer all that for nothing anyhow, i'll leave that to the dispatchers and continue to look after myself for the most part

exec sum:
Dispatchers certainly have more than discounts in their armoury, provided they are far more discerning as to who they allow accept their work

[Bob Shillin]

Don't think so MFH. The only weapon that the trad despatchers MIGHT have is lower costs for drivers. They have to try to keep their ever decreasing subscription base. At the moment NXT are only charging €25 per week + 10% of account jobs to cover processing them, and the delay between paying them out to drivers and getting paid by clients.
 I think/hope that work will return to normal levels when this thing is over, and that it won't come to discounting fares. FN can't afford to discount fares and reduce their income.

[Shallowhal]

But Bob....things won't be returning to the normal that we knew....and i know John paints a bleak picture...cos all those scenarios are in his head and he needs to release them.....on us....but some restaurants,bars won't reopen and the ones that do will only be able to cater for a lot less people,i'd say a lot of people might not bother going out only to be faced with a refusal  cos there's enough people in there......you'll probably end up having to book a spot in a pub for an hour....just make sure you have your next one booked.

[Octavia1]

Well you have me there Kennetth auld son, no denying it. Are ya going to frame it ?

Nope, I'm neither going to Frame it or ever mention it again.
But I'm sure your group would encourage you to 'Bend your Knee'.

I did it, by God it wasn't easy, but I Fookin did it.
It was the hardest thing I ever done (on my knees).

I disagree, saying you hate dispatchers is not expressing hate for an individual, it's hate for a method of doing business, he doesn't hate Noel Ebbs or Vinnie Kearns as individuals, he hates the way their companies deal with Taxi drivers, it's very different to hating somebody or "anybody" it's akin to hating Facebook or Television.
point most definitely not proven Ken, relax DM you're not yet demonised

I know wat ya mean oneanonly....I hate immigrants but thers a particularly nice black girl livin in me building an I wouldn't mind given her one .....is that wat ya mean?

It would probably be fairer to say you hate immigration than Immigrants, liking one immigrant (for whatever reason) disproves your comment that you hate immigrants, similarly I'm sure you could probably think of a good reason for some immigration, then your comment would be watered down to hating certain forms of immigration, which would be probably true of many of us, it might be a good idea for you to decide which types of immigration you "hate"  and to argue your point on that basis, as saying you hate immigrants or even immigration is so easy to argue against it can make you look stupid.

Ok ...I got it ...I hate the authorities who allowed illegal immigrants married to Latvian birds immigrants to work taxis trained by freenow and given ambassadorsship advantage over
my customers  therefore significantly reducing my income impacting me and me kids for no other reason other than some doogooder headcase thinks we have a duty to house, feed , ducate , medicate and employ someone from Calcutta or Nairobi when we have thousands homeless , crowded schools , hospital trollys and too many bleedin taxis that are now fuked thanks to ther being too many them ( again)

[john m]

John you certainly paint a very bleek picture indeed

Irish love affair with Drink and Pubs and drinking in Restaurants is over Dalyer .Thats about 200,000 jobs mostly low skilled ,Where are they going to get work, so wont be wasting their dole on taxies .I was talking to the Bin Man last week he told me there use to be 4 men on a truck driver three lifters now due to social distancing only two lads lifting the same amount of bins for the same money .

[Bob Shillin]

But Bob....things won't be returning to the normal that we knew....and i know John paints a bleak picture...cos all those scenarios are in his head and he needs to release them.....on us....but some restaurants,bars won't reopen and the ones that do will only be able to cater for a lot less people,i'd say a lot of people might not bother going out only to be faced with a refusal  cos there's enough people in there......you'll probably end up having to book a spot in a pub for an hour....just make sure you have your next one booked.

People will DEFINITELY go out when this eases. Yes they may have to go to a pub other than their usual favourite, but there are enough suburban pubs out there that were not even half full on a Saturday night before this shit, and if they are able to reopen, there should be enough space to allow social distancing when all pubs are factored in to the equation......I hope.....

[Theoneandonly]

Well you have me there Kennetth auld son, no denying it. Are ya going to frame it ?

Nope, I'm neither going to Frame it or ever mention it again.
But I'm sure your group would encourage you to 'Bend your Knee'.

I did it, by God it wasn't easy, but I Fookin did it.
It was the hardest thing I ever done (on my knees).

I disagree, saying you hate dispatchers is not expressing hate for an individual, it's hate for a method of doing business, he doesn't hate Noel Ebbs or Vinnie Kearns as individuals, he hates the way their companies deal with Taxi drivers, it's very different to hating somebody or "anybody" it's akin to hating Facebook or Television.
point most definitely not proven Ken, relax DM you're not yet demonised

I know wat ya mean oneanonly....I hate immigrants but thers a particularly nice black girl livin in me building an I wouldn't mind given her one .....is that wat ya mean?

It would probably be fairer to say you hate immigration than Immigrants, liking one immigrant (for whatever reason) disproves your comment that you hate immigrants, similarly I'm sure you could probably think of a good reason for some immigration, then your comment would be watered down to hating certain forms of immigration, which would be probably true of many of us, it might be a good idea for you to decide which types of immigration you "hate"  and to argue your point on that basis, as saying you hate immigrants or even immigration is so easy to argue against it can make you look stupid.

Ok ...I got it ...I hate the authorities who allowed illegal immigrants married to Latvian birds immigrants to work taxis trained by freenow and given ambassadorsship advantage over
my customers  therefore significantly reducing my income impacting me and me kids for no other reason other than some doogooder headcase thinks we have a duty to house, feed , ducate , medicate and employ someone from Calcutta or Nairobi when we have thousands homeless , crowded schools , hospital trollys and too many bleedin taxis that are now fuked thanks to ther being too many them ( again)

Ok, so you hate the immigration system that allowed people to enter the country to compete directly with you for taxi work.
That's understandable.
Hating the people that availed of the opportunity, while understandable to a degree is less so if you apply their situation to yourself, you would probably avail of similar opportunities if put in the same situation

[Theoneandonly]

But Bob....things won't be returning to the normal that we knew....and i know John paints a bleak picture...cos all those scenarios are in his head and he needs to release them.....on us....but some restaurants,bars won't reopen and the ones that do will only be able to cater for a lot less people,i'd say a lot of people might not bother going out only to be faced with a refusal  cos there's enough people in there......you'll probably end up having to book a spot in a pub for an hour....just make sure you have your next one booked.

People will DEFINITELY go out when this eases. Yes they may have to go to a pub other than their usual favourite, but there are enough suburban pubs out there that were not even half full on a Saturday night before this shit, and if they are able to reopen, there should be enough space to allow social distancing when all pubs are factored in to the equation......I hope.....

It'll take time but eventually things return to normal. Spanish flu was far worse than this but people forgot and returned to normality.
we're talking about 18-25 age group here for the most part (city centre night time work) they really don't give a toss

[Octavia1]

Well you have me there Kennetth auld son, no denying it. Are ya going to frame it ?

Nope, I'm neither going to Frame it or ever mention it again.
But I'm sure your group would encourage you to 'Bend your Knee'.

I did it, by God it wasn't easy, but I Fookin did it.
It was the hardest thing I ever done (on my knees).

I disagree, saying you hate dispatchers is not expressing hate for an individual, it's hate for a method of doing business, he doesn't hate Noel Ebbs or Vinnie Kearns as individuals, he hates the way their companies deal with Taxi drivers, it's very different to hating somebody or "anybody" it's akin to hating Facebook or Television.
point most definitely not proven Ken, relax DM you're not yet demonised

I know wat ya mean oneanonly....I hate immigrants but thers a particularly nice black girl livin in me building an I wouldn't mind given her one .....is that wat ya mean?

It would probably be fairer to say you hate immigration than Immigrants, liking one immigrant (for whatever reason) disproves your comment that you hate immigrants, similarly I'm sure you could probably think of a good reason for some immigration, then your comment would be watered down to hating certain forms of immigration, which would be probably true of many of us, it might be a good idea for you to decide which types of immigration you "hate"  and to argue your point on that basis, as saying you hate immigrants or even immigration is so easy to argue against it can make you look stupid.

Ok ...I got it ...I hate the authorities who allowed illegal immigrants married to Latvian birds immigrants to work taxis trained by freenow and given ambassadorsship advantage over
my customers  therefore significantly reducing my income impacting me and me kids for no other reason other than some doogooder headcase thinks we have a duty to house, feed , ducate , medicate and employ someone from Calcutta or Nairobi when we have thousands homeless , crowded schools , hospital trollys and too many bleedin taxis that are now fuked thanks to ther being too many them ( again)

Ok, so you hate the immigration system that allowed people to enter the country to compete directly with you for taxi work.
That's understandable.
Hating the people that availed of the opportunity, while understandable to a degree is less so if you apply their situation to yourself, you would probably avail of similar opportunities if put in the same situation

Yes exacktly....whilst I have a tiny bit of  simpity that lasts about a half second before I dont care wat happens  wit the poor cnuts .....I would advocate priority be given to irish people before foreigners....I tink it's common sense and anyone who advocates and gives priority to immigrants over irish born is a  very sinister trouble maker most likely wit hidden agenda and a mental illness brought about by an abusive childhood , a radical sexuality or an underlying and undiagnosed mental condition

[Octavia1]

Bit like joggers who jog on the road ....its all about them ....and by causing trouble they out to annoy the status quo....like lesbians who hate men ....the lesbians join forces with the immigrant council to fight against the catholic church and the establishment the status quo cause they hate men they know that bringing in all these cnuts comin over here takin our jobs and our women will wind us all up

[Octavia1]

Now do ya see