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Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2021, 12:18:08 pm »
https://builtin.com/robotics/police-robot-law-enforcement
I'm sure robots in the future will be racially neutral

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Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2021, 12:27:24 pm »
The picture was wrong of the stabbing,the shooting was correct,that's my opinion,if I was an armed Garda and after attempted tazing and whatever else failed I'd shoot anybody coming at me with a knife,white black yellow or whatever.As octy said if it was an ordinary scobie it would have been forgotten about in 12 hours.

You do enjoy an ould stir RC.
You are not a policeman, who is licenced to kill, but is supposed to be trained only to have to do so in the direst of situations. I repeat that I can't see why 15 + cops could not have managed this situation without loss of a man's only life. The fault, I suggest, lies with the officer in charge. RC names that man as Drew Harris, I place it with the OIC at the scene.
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Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2021, 07:24:33 pm »
The buck has to stop at the top, BS. Those of us with less selective memories than SB and, perhaps, lacking his desperation to justify the unjustifiable will remember how Harris has made a career out of persecuting Irish nationalists, being implicated in resourcing loyalist terrorists, shoot to kill policing and countless cover ups... all because the IRA killed his father. The one thing absent from his C.V. is the one thing Gardai have relied on since the foundation of the Free State i.e. policing by consent.

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Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2021, 11:13:15 pm »
The buck has to stop at the top, BS. Those of us with less selective memories than SB and, perhaps, lacking his desperation to justify the unjustifiable will remember how Harris has made a career out of persecuting Irish nationalists, being implicated in resourcing loyalist terrorists, shoot to kill policing and countless cover ups... all because the IRA killed his father. The one thing absent from his C.V. is the one thing Gardai have relied on since the foundation of the Free State i.e. policing by consent.
Check out OTD PIRA , on this day provisional IRA on FB. Very romantic view of the thousands of murders.

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Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2021, 11:14:42 pm »
If it's on Facebook it must be true.

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Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2021, 09:22:34 am »
If race dosent matter then why is everyone going on about it so much ?  :-\
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Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2021, 10:46:02 am »
It's not race that matters, it's blacks lives... although you wouldn't think so given the lack of any retaliation for the lad that faced the firing squad in Hartstown/Clonee.

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Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2021, 12:34:09 pm »
It's not race that matters, it's blacks lives... although you wouldn't think so given the lack of any retaliation for the lad that faced the firing squad in Hartstown/Clonee.
Had he got into that house the Gardai would have lost control of the situation.
Had he become besieged there might have been more victims.
Good work An Garda.
The Gardai are great so they are.

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Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2021, 01:15:17 pm »
The Black and Tans thought they were in control... where are they now?

#blackslivesmatter

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Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2021, 02:14:14 pm »
The Black and Tans thought they were in control... where are they now?

#blackslivesmatter
Blacks and the Tans are driving taxis along side you. 8)


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Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2021, 03:15:24 pm »
The Black and Tans thought they were in control... where are they now?

#blackslivesmatter

Yeah...so come out and fight them like a man!

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Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2021, 03:29:21 pm »
The Black and Tans thought they were in control... where are they now?

#blackslivesmatter

Yeah...so come out and fight them like a man!
Here's a bit of history RC, including the sack of the wonderful seaside town of Balbriggan.
The Tans were moved to Palestine.
 

 

 

Winston Churchill sent the Black and Tans to Palestine
British politicians who waged war in Ireland used the same tactics and forces in Palestine - and a Dubliner was in charge during the Naqba
1937: Arab civilians being searched by British Military personnel in Palestine. Photograph: Getty Images
1937: Arab civilians being searched by British Military personnel in Palestine. Photograph: Getty Images
David Cronin
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Sometimes a fragment reveals more than a tome. Karma Nabulsi, a politics professor at Oxford University, introduced me to one such fragment. Did I know, she asked, that Winston Churchill sent the Black and Tans to Palestine?

That conversation helped me grasp why Irish people tend to feel a sense of affinity with the Palestinians. Our historical experiences are not identical but they do have striking parallels, which I became eager to explore.

The Balfour Declaration. Arthur Balfour previously served as chief secretary of Ireland. He notoriously ordered police to open fire on an 1887 land reform protest in Mitchelstown, Co Cork, killing three people
The Balfour Declaration. Arthur Balfour previously served as chief secretary of Ireland. He notoriously ordered police to open fire on an 1887 land reform protest in Mitchelstown, Co Cork, killing three people
This year marks the centenary of the Balfour Declaration. The November 1917 letter to the Zionist movement committed Britain to support the establishment of a “Jewish national home” in Palestine. Through that document, the world’s pre-eminent power gave its backing to a project aimed at colonising with Europeans a land where most of the population was Arab.

Arthur James Balfour, then Britain’s foreign secretary and the declaration’s signatory, had previously served as chief secretary of Ireland. He was best known for ordering police to open fire on an 1887 land reform protest in Mitchelstown, Co Cork. Resulting in three deaths, the incident earned him the sobriquet Bloody Balfour.

Arthur Balfour addresses an anti-Home- Rule demonstration in Belfast in 1893. Photograph: Getty Images
Arthur Balfour addresses an anti-Home- Rule demonstration in Belfast in 1893. Photograph: Getty Images
Balfour was among many British political figures to leave a deep impression on both Ireland and Palestine. As home secretary in 1916, Herbert Samuel oversaw the internment of almost 2,000 people allegedly involved in the Easter Rising; he also approved Roger Casement’s hanging. Samuel became the first high commissioner of Palestine as Britain took charge of its administration between the two world wars.

Faced with unrest in 1921, Samuel ordered air strikes against Palestinian rioters and declared a state of emergency. At that juncture, Churchill, then colonial secretary, advocated that a “picked force of white gendarmerie” be established for Palestine, according to official records. Churchill’s idea was that the gendarmerie should be comprised of men who had served with crown forces during Ireland’s War of Independence.


Henry Hugh Tudor, commander of the Auxiliaries in Ireland, had advised Churchill that up to 800 “absolutely reliable men” could be made available from those forces. The Auxiliaries had worked alongside the Black and Tans and the two policing divisions were often regarded as synonymous. The gendarmerie founded at Churchill’s initiative contained members of both.

Refugees after the Sack of Balbriggan, Co Dublin, by the Black and Tans on September 20th, 1920. Photograph: Getty Images
Refugees after the Sack of Balbriggan, Co Dublin, by the Black and Tans on September 20th, 1920. Photograph: Getty Images
In effect, then, the Black and Tans and the Auxiliaries were assigned to Palestine once their presence in Ireland was no longer deemed necessary. The parallel fascinated me. One of those forces’ most notorious escapades occurred in my hometown – Balbriggan, Co Dublin. As revenge for the killing of a police officer by republicans in September 1920, the forces torched a hosiery factory that was a major local employer, as well as destroying and damaging numerous pubs and houses. The “sack” of Balbriggan, as the incident became known, prompted a Westminster debate about whether the crown forces lacked discipline.

Britain’s imperial archives show that some diplomats asked if the “Black and Tan tradition” was being followed in Palestine. One briefing document apparently written for the British Army pointed to how many members of the Churchill-initiated gendarmerie had formerly been based in Ireland. “This original composition gave the force a military efficiency, combined with a certain ruthlessness,” the paper added.

Douglas Duff had been stationed with the Black and Tans in Galway before moving to Palestine. His memoirs make clear that he brought a great deal of bigotry with him. Referring to the Palestinians of Haifa, he wrote: “Most of us were so infected by the sense of our own superiority over these ‘lesser breeds’ that we scarcely regarded these people as human.”

Officers who had served in Ireland played a prominent role in quelling protests by Palestinians against the expropriation of land where they lived and farmed. Raymond Cafferata, for example, had been part of the Auxiliaries during the Irish War of Independence. In 1933, he headed a contingent of foot police at a Jaffa demonstration which had been banned. A baton charge that he ordered was commended by British administration in Jerusalem for being “magnificently executed” despite how numerous Palestinians were shot dead during the protest.


Later in the 1930s, a full-scale Palestinian revolt erupted. Grattan Bushe, a legal adviser to the Colonial Office, warned that “repression by force is repeating the mistake which was made in Ireland”. His warning was ignored; military commanders were assured that they could take “whatever measures are necessary”. The measures were to include demolishing much of Jaffa’s old city, imposing collective punishment on villages with rebels in their midst and mass detention in labour camps.

Sir Herbert Samuel, British High Commissioner of Palestine, centre, with Emir Abdullah and TE Lawrence at Amman, Jordan, in April 1921. Photograph: Getty Images
Sir Herbert Samuel, British High Commissioner of Palestine, centre, with Emir Abdullah and TE Lawrence at Amman, Jordan, in April 1921. Photograph: Getty Images
Some of the men behind projects that are still reviled today were originally from Ireland. About £2 million – a huge sum for the 1930s – was spent on erecting a rampart along Palestine’s northern frontier. It was the brainchild of Charles Tegart, a Derry-born police chief. Tegart was something of an innovator. He recommended that the most sophisticated surveillance technology of that era should be installed in “Tegart’s fence”, as the project was dubbed.

The Balfour Declaration’s purpose was to form a “little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism”, according to Ronald Storrs, “the first military governor of Palestine since Pontius Pilate” (his words). Not everything went to plan: the Zionist movement fell out with and, in the case of two groups, waged a campaign of guerilla warfare against Britain in the 1940s. Storrs’ comment nonetheless encapsulates how the British elite viewed their nearest colony and the Middle East through the same lens.

General Sir Alan Cunningham, Palestine High Commissioner: the Dubliner was in charge during the mass expulsion of Palestinians by Zionist forces, an episode called the Nakba or catastrophe. The British authorities chose not to intervene. Photograph: Getty Images
General Sir Alan Cunningham, Palestine High Commissioner: the Dubliner was in charge during the mass expulsion of Palestinians by Zionist forces, an episode called the Nakba or catastrophe. The British authorities chose not to intervene. Photograph: Getty Images
On May 14th, 1948, British rule in Palestine came to an end; Israel declared itself a state that same day. The transition was marked in a low-key ceremony at which Alan Cunningham, the last British high commissioner in Jerusalem, inspected a colour party.


Cunningham had been in charge during the mass expulsion of Palestinians by Zionist forces, an episode called the Nakba or catastrophe. The British authorities chose not to intervene.

The Palestinian flag is being flown over Dublin’s City Hall this month in solidarity with the Nakba’s victims. That is grimly appropriate. Alan Cunningham was born in Dublin.
David Cronin’s book Balfour’s Shadow: A Century of British Support for Zionism and Israel is published by Pluto Press. plutobooks.com

Author David Cronin is from Balbriggan, the Co Dublin town sacked by the Black and Tans
Author David Cronin is from Balbriggan, the Co Dublin town sacked by the Black and Tans
 
Interesting that they were led by a Dubliner  Alan Cunningham.
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Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2021, 04:01:12 am »
Seems that he may have been shot twice in his back.
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Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2021, 04:55:37 am »
don't quote me on it but I think the balbriggan sacking happened the same day as Kevin Barry murdered a 16 year old British soldier.

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Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2021, 10:41:52 am »
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