DAA (Pre-booked) Permit

[Rat Catcher]

Had another try, as follows:

Hi ******,

Thank you for your speedy reply.

In accordance with your advice I have spent many hours studying all the FAQs I could find that are or may be relevant to my confusion. However, I am still confused!

As far as enforcement goes it seems that relevant offences (apart from picking up without a permit) are highly unlikely to be detected and even less likely to be proved beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law so I guess it’s fair to conclude that light touch or blind eye enforcement will become the norm.

I do, however, have a more pressing concern which is directly relevant to my deciding whether or not I should purchase one of the new permits. I have an impending booking from a partially sighted disabled retired gentleman from one of the hotels on the Dublin Airport campus. This is a regular client of mine who has arranged a reunion meal - presumably accompanied with alcoholic liquid refreshments - with some of his ex-colleagues. As he is a very particular kind of gentleman with a background in law enforcement I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t want to encourage me or anyone else to break any (bye)laws for his benefit. Perhaps you can advise in simple terms if I am currently permitted (as a non permit holder) to fulfil this booking and if I would be permitted to fulfil the same should I decide to purchase the permit. If I am not permitted in either circumstance I would be obliged if you could advise how the gentleman concerned can go about ordering a taxi to pick him up from the hotel in question.

While of less pressing concern, I would also be obliged if you could clarify:

i) if NTA licensed taxis and/or NTA licenced Limousines are permitted to collect clients from Dublin Airport with or without permits issued by DAA?
ii) if the ban on collecting clients from ALSSA extends to the main ALSSA complex located to the east of the road known as R132 or does it merely apply to the swimming pool and/or other club facilities as may be located within the main campus, taking the main campus being the part located to the west of the road known as R132.
iii) if the ban on collecting fares on DAA property outside of the specified car parks covered by the new permit extends to the car hire return sheds located to the east of the road known as R132.

Your attention to the same is very much appreciated and I look forward to your response.

Kind Regards,

Stephen O’Connell.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Like 'Private' Noel O Loughlin from F/T?

 I remember him privatising Foxrock Taxi work and thinking nothing of it.

Think that`s the lad that dissuaded me from joining FT . He told me he had "captured" return jobs he`d dropped off.

He's still in the Kesh 21680 KIA, pity he wasn't!

Yep, same lad.

[silverbullet]

Had another try, as follows:

Hi ******,

Thank you for your speedy reply.

In accordance with your advice I have spent many hours studying all the FAQs I could find that are or may be relevant to my confusion. However, I am still confused!

As far as enforcement goes it seems that relevant offences (apart from picking up without a permit) are highly unlikely to be detected and even less likely to be proved beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law so I guess it’s fair to conclude that light touch or blind eye enforcement will become the norm.

I do, however, have a more pressing concern which is directly relevant to my deciding whether or not I should purchase one of the new permits. I have an impending booking from a partially sighted disabled retired gentleman from one of the hotels on the Dublin Airport campus. This is a regular client of mine who has arranged a reunion meal - presumably accompanied with alcoholic liquid refreshments - with some of his ex-colleagues. As he is a very particular kind of gentleman with a background in law enforcement I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t want to encourage me or anyone else to break any (bye)laws for his benefit. Perhaps you can advise in simple terms if I am currently permitted (as a non permit holder) to fulfil this booking and if I would be permitted to fulfil the same should I decide to purchase the permit. If I am not permitted in either circumstance I would be obliged if you could advise how the gentleman concerned can go about ordering a taxi to pick him up from the hotel in question.

While of less pressing concern, I would also be obliged if you could clarify:

i) if NTA licensed taxis and/or NTA licenced Limousines are permitted to collect clients from Dublin Airport with or without permits issued by DAA?
ii) if the ban on collecting clients from ALSSA extends to the main ALSSA complex located to the east of the road known as R132 or does it merely apply to the swimming pool and/or other club facilities as may be located within the main campus, taking the main campus being the part located to the west of the road known as R132.
iii) if the ban on collecting fares on DAA property outside of the specified car parks covered by the new permit extends to the car hire return sheds located to the east of the road known as R132.

Your attention to the same is very much appreciated and I look forward to your response.

Kind Regards,

Stephen O’Connell.

I can just see a civil servant swatting away your enquiry with all the deftness he can muster before lunch.

[Rat Catcher]

Probably in Kealy's Roadhouse and taking a taxi back!

[taxi1990]

is this permit in operation yet or what?

has anyone collected from the airport yet without the permit? if so, what happened?

[taxi1990]

PSV number, is this the roof sign number or our taxi driver licence number?

[watty]

Roofsign?  In theory a different driver could drive the same taxi into DAP every other day so I reckon it's the roofsign they want to control .

[Belker]

Link is in OP.

https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only

Thanks, process completed, permit paid, and permit received in 5 minutes total.

@ Bob Shillin, SB, what format is the permit sent as ?
As in by email, text, QR Thingy, or is it basic written paper format ?

[Belker]

is this permit in operation yet or what?

has anyone collected from the airport yet without the permit? if so, what happened?

@ 1990, if you have a few collections per annum from DAA then best to just pay the Tenner fer the permit and be done with it, and you can even claim it back in tax expenses.

[Belker]

I think that you went a tad overboard Stephen playing the disabled bit and mentioning your clients standing in the community whilst providing no proof of such. I would expect the DAA reply to read quite long but the short of it will be; ONLY PRE APPROVED/PAID 'PRE BOOKED' TAXIES WITH A PERMIT WILL BE ALLOWED TO PICK UP IN THE DAA CAMPUS.

Had another try, as follows:

Hi ******,

Thank you for your speedy reply.

In accordance with your advice I have spent many hours studying all the FAQs I could find that are or may be relevant to my confusion. However, I am still confused!

As far as enforcement goes it seems that relevant offences (apart from picking up without a permit) are highly unlikely to be detected and even less likely to be proved beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law so I guess it’s fair to conclude that light touch or blind eye enforcement will become the norm.

I do, however, have a more pressing concern which is directly relevant to my deciding whether or not I should purchase one of the new permits. I have an impending booking from a partially sighted disabled retired gentleman from one of the hotels on the Dublin Airport campus. This is a regular client of mine who has arranged a reunion meal - presumably accompanied with alcoholic liquid refreshments - with some of his ex-colleagues. As he is a very particular kind of gentleman with a background in law enforcement I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t want to encourage me or anyone else to break any (bye)laws for his benefit. Perhaps you can advise in simple terms if I am currently permitted (as a non permit holder) to fulfil this booking and if I would be permitted to fulfil the same should I decide to purchase the permit. If I am not permitted in either circumstance I would be obliged if you could advise how the gentleman concerned can go about ordering a taxi to pick him up from the hotel in question.

While of less pressing concern, I would also be obliged if you could clarify:

i) if NTA licensed taxis and/or NTA licenced Limousines are permitted to collect clients from Dublin Airport with or without permits issued by DAA?
ii) if the ban on collecting clients from ALSSA extends to the main ALSSA complex located to the east of the road known as R132 or does it merely apply to the swimming pool and/or other club facilities as may be located within the main campus, taking the main campus being the part located to the west of the road known as R132.
iii) if the ban on collecting fares on DAA property outside of the specified car parks covered by the new permit extends to the car hire return sheds located to the east of the road known as R132.

Your attention to the same is very much appreciated and I look forward to your response.

Kind Regards,

Stephen O’Connell.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

I think that you went a tad overboard Stephen playing the disabled bit and mentioning your clients standing in the community whilst providing no proof of such. I would expect the DAA reply to read quite long but the short of it will be; ONLY PRE APPROVED/PAID 'PRE BOOKED' TAXIS WITH A PERMIT WILL BE ALLOWED TO PICK UP IN THE DAA CAMPUS.

Had another try, as follows:

Hi ******,

Thank you for your speedy reply.

In accordance with your advice I have spent many hours studying all the FAQs I could find that are or may be relevant to my confusion. However, I am still confused!

As far as enforcement goes it seems that relevant offences (apart from picking up without a permit) are highly unlikely to be detected and even less likely to be proved beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law so I guess it’s fair to conclude that light touch or blind eye enforcement will become the norm.

I do, however, have a more pressing concern which is directly relevant to my deciding whether or not I should purchase one of the new permits. I have an impending booking from a partially sighted disabled retired gentleman from one of the hotels on the Dublin Airport campus. This is a regular client of mine who has arranged a reunion meal - presumably accompanied with alcoholic liquid refreshments - with some of his ex-colleagues. As he is a very particular kind of gentleman with a background in law enforcement I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t want to encourage me or anyone else to break any (bye)laws for his benefit. Perhaps you can advise in simple terms if I am currently permitted (as a non permit holder) to fulfil this booking and if I would be permitted to fulfil the same should I decide to purchase the permit. If I am not permitted in either circumstance I would be obliged if you could advise how the gentleman concerned can go about ordering a taxi to pick him up from the hotel in question.

While of less pressing concern, I would also be obliged if you could clarify:

i) if NTA licensed taxis and/or NTA licenced Limousines are permitted to collect clients from Dublin Airport with or without permits issued by DAA?
ii) if the ban on collecting clients from ALSSA extends to the main ALSSA complex located to the east of the road known as R132 or does it merely apply to the swimming pool and/or other club facilities as may be located within the main campus, taking the main campus being the part located to the west of the road known as R132.
iii) if the ban on collecting fares on DAA property outside of the specified car parks covered by the new permit extends to the car hire return sheds located to the east of the road known as R132.

Your attention to the same is very much appreciated and I look forward to your response.

Kind Regards,

Stephen O’Connell.

[mercenary for hire]

I was out there earlier still plenty parked up in the circle K but certainly a few less.I always assume half of the Kesh are in the virtual queues on the apps to make them look longer than they actually are.Unless there's a big enforcement clampdown I can't see anything changing much in the airport.Great scam from the DAA to relieve drivers of a tenner.

[Rat Catcher]

Couldn't help meself Bubba... but I'm sure the gentleman concerned would have no trouble coming out of the shadows ifn Joe Duffy asked him to!

The point really is that you cannot pick up a pre-booking from anywhere other than the car parks under the T&Cs of the new permit. Kealy's car park (back door where the Free Now drivers collect clients, many of whom are DAA staff), the hotels and the ALSSA club are specifically mentioned as places you may not pick up pre-bookings. Neither are you allowed ply or stand for hire within the campus so, technically, it's impossible to serve the hotels, Kealys, ALSSA, etc if you are a permit holder. I daresay, in practice, nobody gives a flying fuck! I have actually picked up an Airport Policeman from the ALSSA main complex. I wonder would if one could argue entrapment if prosecuted in that circumstance?

[Bob Shillin]

Link is in OP.

https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only

Thanks, process completed, permit paid, and permit received in 5 minutes total.

@ Bob Shillin, SB, what format is the permit sent as ?
As in by email, text, QR Thingy, or is it basic written paper format ?

Print off a typed letter permit from the site. It has the admin office address on the top, the driver name and address, the expiry date, and a sort of watermark of the number 25 as the expiry also.

[taxi1990]

Roofsign?  In theory a different driver could drive the same taxi into DAP every other day so I reckon it's the roofsign they want to control .

I put down my roof sign number. was there this morning, Garda checkpoint at arrivals, they stopped me then waved me on, they just checked the non taxi along side me for tax and insurance.