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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #105 on: August 02, 2025, 01:19:49 pm »
Much is a prius 5 yer old yoke ? 15k so in another 5 yers another second hand yoke be 25 grand with the inflation thats comin .... rat sez he has the cash now so no loan .... even of he leaves the business hes goin need a car an can use it  ... maybe buy the new Toyota .... the question ide be asking meself is do I need a loan .... im never takin a loan out again ... I dont want the banks havin a hold over me an I wont have any cash in 2. 5 yers wen I need a replacement ...
I rekon in 2.5 yers time  the business wont be there ...
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #106 on: August 02, 2025, 01:36:26 pm »
OCCI This is MY OPINION .I dont think the 20K will be available next year .I think it will be cut .Probably with the Scrappage element removed .They seem to have changed their minds on getting old smokers out of the Fleet bu extending the Death Sentence Date .In an Economy heading for the Crash Barriers subsidising Taxis might not be to the Fore .
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #107 on: August 02, 2025, 01:59:31 pm »
You've probably paid more for cars than some on here paid for gaffs.
Personal priorities, if I'm going to own only one car it's important that it's a good one. if I subtract the cost of 4 cars from my takings over my 22 years I'm happy with the difference, and that doesn't take into account non work driving. If I wasn't prone to the occasional accident the return on investment would have been even better. As someone who doesn't begrudge mechanics mechanics their due I like to have a reliable yoke.
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #108 on: August 02, 2025, 02:00:43 pm »
OCCI This is MY OPINION .I dont think the 20K will be available next year .I think it will be cut .Probably with the Scrappage element removed .They seem to have changed their minds on getting old smokers out of the Fleet bu extending the Death Sentence Date .In an Economy heading for the Crash Barriers subsidising Taxis might not be to the Fore .

Very true johnny ... the grant was only ever an incentive to switch to green ... wen green is the new normal all incentives will be removed ide imagine if im tinkin logically but electric ain't cheap ... watll happen wen the grants go ?
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #109 on: August 02, 2025, 03:23:09 pm »
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #110 on: August 03, 2025, 12:52:09 pm »
Much is a prius 5 yer old yoke ? 15k so in another 5 yers another second hand yoke be 25 grand with the inflation thats comin .... rat sez he has the cash now so no loan .... even of he leaves the business hes goin need a car an can use it  ... maybe buy the new Toyota .... the question ide be asking meself is do I need a loan .... im never takin a loan out again ... I dont want the banks havin a hold over me an I wont have any cash in 2. 5 yers wen I need a replacement ...
I rekon in 2.5 yers time  the business wont be there ...
Time to retire an go fishin ...

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A 5yo Prius (with under or around 100,000 kilos on the clock) for €15k would be a bargain. I looked at Corolla prices... you might get a 3-5yo one with low kilometreage for c.€18k all in if you import it from Japan but you'd most likely have to change the rear door glass and the wireless and would definitely have to change the tyres. A higher kilometreage 5yo sourced locally would be around 22k. A 5yo diesel Octavia would be around 25k. When you look at the 5yo prices they're more than half the price of the new model so you're paying more than buying new on a per annum basis... which makes no sense to me but I can't really afford or justify spending the price of a new car other than an EV after grant aid.

I've never borrowed for a car and don't intend to. If there's grants available next year and I get an offer when I need it I will have to borrow at least some of the €20,000 we get back but I'm fortunate enough to have a choice of reasonably generous siblings/offspring/parents who wouldn't miss 20 large for a month or two.
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #111 on: August 03, 2025, 12:54:53 pm »
DACIA DUSTER  Dirth Cheap will do the Job .New one for the price of Part worn something else .Badge Snobbery .
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #112 on: August 03, 2025, 01:02:56 pm »
You've probably paid more for cars than some on here paid for gaffs.
Personal priorities, if I'm going to own only one car it's important that it's a good one. if I subtract the cost of 4 cars from my takings over my 22 years I'm happy with the difference, and that doesn't take into account non work driving. If I wasn't prone to the occasional accident the return on investment would have been even better. As someone who doesn't begrudge mechanics mechanics their due I like to have a reliable yoke.

I don't begrudge mechanics their hard earned, if that's what you're suggesting? As per service records posted on here I've paid mechanics to service/repair my serving taxis over the years on many occasions including main dealers, well Gretta got a timing belt from a main dealer back in her taxi days. When it comes to relatively simple stuff like an oil change or brake pads/discs/suspension bits/wheel bearings/etc the main reason I'd usually (not always) opt to DIY is down to the time and effort required to leave it in and collect it -vs- (generally) under an hour before showering to do it. Also, getting close to my exact schedule for oil changes is much easier when I do it myself as I don't have to try to predict whether and to what extent I might work ahead of making a booking with a mechanic / main stealership.

Having said that, I would begrudge Toyota stealerships the money to "service" an EV every 15k kilos given that the equivalent VW has a 2yr unlimited mileage service interval... and Octy tells us Toyotas aren't needy!
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #113 on: August 03, 2025, 01:06:07 pm »
DACIA DUSTER  Dirth Cheap will do the Job .New one for the price of Part worn something else .Badge Snobbery .

Wouldn't buy it with your money.... I wouldn't taxi a Renault so definitely wouldn't taxi a Dacia. An old drinking acquaintance was the service manager of a Nissan stealership years ago. When Renault acquired Nissan he said he'd never converse with me again if I ever bought one.
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #114 on: August 03, 2025, 01:24:11 pm »
The only person I've heard of having a problem with a 12V battery in an EV was Hal (BYD) but I think that was just a simple replacement.

Mad in technological terms, perhaps... but, in reality, the whole EV thing is a bit mad, Ted. Inter cert physics tells us that moving more weight requires more energy. Does the proportion of electricity we generate from renewables even compensate for the extra energy an EV requires? Then there's the environmental cost of mineral extraction, manufacture, shipping, scrapping more energy efficient (i.e. lighter) petrol and diesel cars, etc....

"Does the proportion of electricity we generate from renewables even compensate for the extra energy an EV requires?"

Yes ... the energy harvested from inertia an gravity  tru  deceleration is all down to or  dependent on mass or weight ... the heavier the vehicle the more energy is harvested from degenerative brakin .... tho I prefer to say degenerative deceleration because any braking is a 100% energy conversion to heat ( 1st law of thermodynamics) .
To explain it in taxi driver terms ... if yur ev weighed nuttin an you inside  weighed nuttin ( i know thats a stretch of the imagination but bare wit me  lol) wer driving it an yu  took yur foot off the accelerator.... you wud come to a immediate stop with out braking .... like as if you hit a brick wall sort o ting ....the energy saved tru degenerative/ deceleration  is dependent on 2 tings ..... the apes drivin style .... an the mechanical efficiency of the yoke yur drivin ... an as we all know mechanical efficiency can never achieve 100% which is why perpetual motion is impossible....
Now... any questions ?

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I guess we have to go back to primary school science to remember that you can't get more energy out than you put in. Hybrids (and presumably EVs) are good at recovering some of the extra energy they consume through regenerative braking and such like but they're not manufacturing free energy. A good example might be recovering energy going downhill but it's not going to recover more than the extra energy (compared to a petrol or diesel car) it took to get up the hill in the first place. Where hybrids come into their own is in Urban centres when they don't need to either keep the engine running or constantly stop and start it.

When SB said he'd buy me a lottery ticket a while back I had a look at the price / specs of new Octavias. As far as I recall the diesel (manual transmission) version achieves (albeit marginally) better mpg than the hybrid version. Stealership figures are based on "mixed" driving so it's likely that the hybrid would be better in an urban environment and certain that the diesel would be significantly better on the open road / motorways. When I bought my MKIII I had a look at the Prius. It's published mpg figures were higher than what I was getting from Gretta hence I concluded that all that extra technology was pointless for me.... although, I opted for the DSG Octavia in the end which also consumes slightly more diesel than Gretta! Ifn SB ever buys me said lottery ticket and if it won I'd still buy a new diesel Octavia or maybe (ifn it's a particularly high jackpot) a new diesel Superb.
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #115 on: August 03, 2025, 03:42:12 pm »
The only person I've heard of having a problem with a 12V battery in an EV was Hal (BYD) but I think that was just a simple replacement.

Mad in technological terms, perhaps... but, in reality, the whole EV thing is a bit mad, Ted. Inter cert physics tells us that moving more weight requires more energy. Does the proportion of electricity we generate from renewables even compensate for the extra energy an EV requires? Then there's the environmental cost of mineral extraction, manufacture, shipping, scrapping more energy efficient (i.e. lighter) petrol and diesel cars, etc....

"Does the proportion of electricity we generate from renewables even compensate for the extra energy an EV requires?"

Yes ... the energy harvested from inertia an gravity  tru  deceleration is all down to or  dependent on mass or weight ... the heavier the vehicle the more energy is harvested from degenerative brakin .... tho I prefer to say degenerative deceleration because any braking is a 100% energy conversion to heat ( 1st law of thermodynamics) .
To explain it in taxi driver terms ... if yur ev weighed nuttin an you inside  weighed nuttin ( i know thats a stretch of the imagination but bare wit me  lol) wer driving it an yu  took yur foot off the accelerator.... you wud come to a immediate stop with out braking .... like as if you hit a brick wall sort o ting ....the energy saved tru degenerative/ deceleration  is dependent on 2 tings ..... the apes drivin style .... an the mechanical efficiency of the yoke yur drivin ... an as we all know mechanical efficiency can never achieve 100% which is why perpetual motion is impossible....
Now... any questions ?

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I guess we have to go back to primary school science to remember that you can't get more energy out than you put in. Hybrids (and presumably EVs) are good at recovering some of the extra energy they consume through regenerative braking and such like but they're not manufacturing free energy. A good example might be recovering energy going downhill but it's not going to recover more than the extra energy (compared to a petrol or diesel car) it took to get up the hill in the first place. Where hybrids come into their own is in Urban centres when they don't need to either keep the engine running or constantly stop and start it.

When SB said he'd buy me a lottery ticket a while back I had a look at the price / specs of new Octavias. As far as I recall the diesel (manual transmission) version achieves (albeit marginally) better mpg than the hybrid version. Stealership figures are based on "mixed" driving so it's likely that the hybrid would be better in an urban environment and certain that the diesel would be significantly better on the open road / motorways. When I bought my MKIII I had a look at the Prius. It's published mpg figures were higher than what I was getting from Gretta hence I concluded that all that extra technology was pointless for me.... although, I opted for the DSG Octavia in the end which also consumes slightly more diesel than Gretta! Ifn SB ever buys me said lottery ticket and if it won I'd still buy a new diesel Octavia or maybe (ifn it's a particularly high jackpot) a new diesel Superb.

Yuod be surprised how many dont understand basic  inter cert physics rat
"Does the proportion of electricity we generate from renewables even compensate for the extra energy an EV requires?"

Obviously if your driven a hybrid or ev  on the motorway all day at constant velocity ....energy harvestin/ regenerative deceleration ...as i like ta call it is  very limited an Obviously a diesel bein more efficient than a petrol engine will possibly do better .... but passengers live in city's not the motorway .... which is why ya drive there to work ... I tink yur confused a bit cause ya live down the bog an have to drive to civilisation to work ....
As for winnin the lotto you cud buy a diesel  cause ya wont be puttin a taxi roof sign onit an cartin the riff raff , workin class an junkies that ya normally carry round in yur taxi ....an ya wont be fixing it  in the shed neither up all nite havin the luv o yur life wonderin wen yur comin to bed


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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #116 on: August 03, 2025, 04:15:43 pm »
I don't generally drive up to Dublin to work any more but I occasionally drive clients to the city or airport. Obviously that's on motorways.

However, when I did (and occasionally still do) work up above in Dublin I prefer(red) to work in the Northside suburbs. When I compared Greta's actual consumption figures with Toyota's published Prius consumption figures all those years ago that was my working methodology. I remember being suitably unimpressed and, in fact, I wondered if they were being unduly conservative or prudent. I did consider that somewhere there might be a failed bus mechanic who might know better than the manufacturer!
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #117 on: August 03, 2025, 04:24:24 pm »
DACIA DUSTER  Dirth Cheap will do the Job .New one for the price of Part worn something else .Badge Snobbery .

Wouldn't buy it with your money.... I wouldn't taxi a Renault so definitely wouldn't taxi a Dacia. An old drinking acquaintance was the service manager of a Nissan stealership years ago. When Renault acquired Nissan he said he'd never converse with me again if I ever bought one.
If ya hit a cat at 10 miles an hour with one them the cat wud survive ... youd be shoveled up off the road by the fire brigade .... youd be safer in a shoppin trolly

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« Reply #118 on: August 03, 2025, 04:28:14 pm »
I don't generally drive up to Dublin to work any more but I occasionally drive clients to the city or airport. Obviously that's on motorways.

However, when I did (and occasionally still do) work up above in Dublin I prefer(red) to work in the Northside suburbs. When I compared Greta's actual consumption figures with Toyota's published Prius consumption figures all those years ago that was my working methodology. I remember being suitably unimpressed and, in fact, I wondered if they were being unduly conservative or prudent. I did consider that somewhere there might be a failed bus mechanic who might know better than the manufacturer!

A spine  failed mechanic ya failed accountant bollixes  lol
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #119 on: August 03, 2025, 04:32:05 pm »
I can still compute that there's only six winners on a six horse accumulator between me and a new diesel Skoda!
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