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Hold strong Rc
« on: July 12, 2025, 01:56:48 am »
Yer beginning to krumble… ev warranties…. Cost per kilo… gaff chargers… straight line methoodz annal…


It’ll be a dark day on the golden mile when I see ya trundle past Ayrfield in a ev…



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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2025, 10:51:51 am »
Yer beginning to krumble… ev warranties…. Cost per kilo… gaff chargers… straight line methoodz annal…


It’ll be a dark day on the golden mile when I see ya trundle past Ayrfield in a ev…
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2025, 02:23:47 am »
Rodent wait a bit then wait a bit more .Teslas are almost obsolete .EV tech is developing so fast by next year you can probably get a motor with 1000km range that you can charge once a week at a super charger station near your gaff .If Donny the Orange Shite Pile does impose big tarriffs on EU goods then EU will have to impose tarriffs on Chinko goods to stop Europe being flooded with cheap imports .Might see an extra grant to purchase European made EVS .I think wait and see until the last minute before you jump .

For a lad of your delicate disposition .Would you consider a EVV Van plate it up as a crypmobile get a School run or regular invalid transport contract .Then rent out your plate to cover most of the cost of the WAV .
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2025, 05:42:21 am »
So everyone accepting there will be no change in 10 year rule ?

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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2025, 10:47:47 am »
So everyone accepting there will be no change in 10 year rule ?

Think so .Government make money from sale of new motors .Dirty Diesels wont be promoted .
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2025, 11:15:46 am »
Wait was my plan, erm. Just when grant scheme reopened a couple of weeks ago I had a chat with a colleague/competitor who told me one could buy a Toyota (BZ4X) EV cheaper than the equivalent VW (ID4) model which got me to thinking about changing the motor. In fact, the Toyota is a grand more than the VW (€42,000 -vs- €41,000) but, even after finding that out, something tells me that a Toyota for VW money (give or take) is a pretty good deal.

My current licence expires in January. There's no EV grant option in January - under ESPSV25 you must have your car on the road and old car scrapped (if taking the scrappage) by December 13 2025. If there's an ESPSV26 and it follows all previous ESPSV grant aid schemes it won't open until mid February. The (current) last date of operation for my current vehicle is 20 March 2026 despite it being in showroom condition so allowing for a couple of weeks to process an application I'd be cutting it a bit fine.

Obviously the logic of buying an EV is that we get grant aid so they're €10-20k cheaper than the general public would pay. In my case, taking Revenue's VRT OMSP (inherently prudent) calculation to value my current vehicle I'd be getting €10k for nothing (well, I guess there's no such thing as  free lunch, there are T&Cs restricting permissible use of the car and such like) plus €10k for a car valued at €8k so a cost saving of €12k.

A 5yo diesel DSG Octavia with up to c.100,000 kilos on the clock would cost c.€25,000, more than double what my current one cost when it was 3yo back in 2019. A similarly decent Corolla Hybrid would be c.€22,000 source locally. However, I've done some back of envelope calculations that suggest one could import a lower kilometreage one from Japan for c.€18,000 but then one would have to buy new tyres, possibly a new wireless (I don't know if that's still an issue with Jap imports?) and most likely new glass for the back doors as they all seem to come with privacy/tinted glass. A brand new MGS5 comes in at c.€35,000 which equates to €23,000 after grants for me, in real terms. Then one could spend another €6-7k on a more established brand (Toyota or VW) with (presumably) better aftersales service / spare parts availability. I guess the benefit of new over second hand might depend on whether one would realistically expect an EV to last over 7 years.

Supercharges don't interest me a lot other than something to fall back on. My current car has a range of about 800 kilos and I rarely fill it more than once a week so once one gets into the habit of plugging an EV in after every shift range shouldn't be an issue, at least not to the extent of being a deal breaker. I was considering applying for a WAV grant but I'd have less than no interest in school runs. If I wanted that level of commitment I'd either buy a small car and take driving instruction seriously or get a PAYE job... the fact is, at this stage of my life I'm happy enough pottering around doing as little work as possible!

The possibility, however remote, of an age extension for oh16 cars similar to that given to every other year of car on account of COVID is an obvious argument in favour of holding out. Worse case scenario is that I won't get a grant but it's hardly a life changing event, I'd still get a 5 year diesel or hybrid for in around the same money as a new MG would cost and considerably less than an ID4 or BZ4x... Food for thought, I guess.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2025, 11:24:04 am by Rat Catcher »
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2025, 11:04:52 pm »
Lots of hybrid corolla s around latley
Lads to had avensis before

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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2025, 11:52:30 pm »
Lots of hybrid corolla s around latley
Lads to had avensis before
The 1.8 Corolla is small, The 1.4 Octavia is a good bit bigger with similar HP but a Grand more.

I have all the measurements done to include the old Avensis if'n anyone wants me to post them.

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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2025, 09:13:33 am »
For the Brothers of the Electric Wheel .Just had Porter with a mate of mine use to be a Councillor .Have you noticed the rollout of EV Charges has slowed down nearly stopped except for Private ones in Garages or Clubs .Councils not installing them .There is a reason ? It has been brought to the councils attention through the Councils intercouncil Forum that the on Street Chargers are unsuitable for wheelchair bound users as the control panels and holsters or plug in point for your own Charging Cable are to high .
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2025, 01:01:56 pm »
I wouldn't look further than a Toyota for a Hybrid, Ken. For a diesel VAG would be my choice.

Which EV is a bit more complex, there's not enough of them about to draw any significant conclusions. For me the argument in favour of an EV is simple i.e. that with grant aid they're cheap so, I guess, if I keep it simple the only brand that's significantly cheaper than a diesel or hybrid is the MG with the MGS5 being top of that pile. However, if one factors in aftersales service, comfort, etc both the VW ID4 and Toyota BZ4X have to figure. There's probably not much to choose between both of them while they're under warranty... they both come with extremely expensive maintenance (for cars that require no maintenance!) but the warranty provides some comfort, I guess. I would intend to keep the car beyond the warranty period though. I know that VAGs do like a bit of attention but provided one doesn't mind getting one's hands dirty there's no great cost involved, most jobs will cost less than an EV tyre in my experience. Toyota reliability is probably significantly better than VWs but I know I don't have to tell you that when they do go wrong they go wrong in spectacularly expensive style! Between the two of those I was definitely leaning towards the ID4 until someone told me the Toyota is the same price as the VW (give or take) and MfH threw a spanner in the works by drawing attention to VWs potentially inferior battery technology. I can't remember the technical terminology but it's in another thread, I'll have to research it a bit more in due course or just count the beans and go for the MGS5 if grants are available when I make my move.
« Last Edit: July 15, 2025, 01:05:35 pm by Rat Catcher »
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2025, 01:42:19 pm »
EV 5 basic model on the Road for 15 K  First 3 years covered under warranty .Cheap motoring no recalls unlike other models Tesla are the Autistic EV loads of different stuff failing .Toyota and VW are expensive you are paying Legacy money for past brand .They never made a Battery Car before so what is the legacy premium for ? Shocks and Radio ?
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2025, 01:47:22 pm »
That's probably the short and narrow of it, erm... but might I suggest that VW/Toyota will have better/established parts supply chains and probably have better quality interiors/door seals/etc? How's your mate getting on with his mirror replacement saga?

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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2025, 03:07:36 pm »
That's probably the short and narrow of it, erm... but might I suggest that VW/Toyota will have better/established parts supply chains and probably have better quality interiors/door seals/etc? How's your mate getting on with his mirror replacement saga?

Insurers took responsibility for repairs and sent him to THEIR prefered Garage and it is 800 more than MG quoted !
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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2025, 05:16:38 pm »
Mg4, support bar for the drives seat broke, 6 weeks waiting for a replacement, couldn’t release the car as it was a safety issue, Frank Keane refused to take a seat out of another car to resolve the 6 week wait as they’re not gonna pay for labour twice.

Driver was without for 6 weeks.

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Re: Hold strong Rc
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2025, 05:30:15 pm »
Mg4, support bar for the drives seat broke, 6 weeks waiting for a replacement, couldn’t release the car as it was a safety issue, Frank Keane refused to take a seat out of another car to resolve the 6 week wait as they’re not gonna pay for labour twice.

Driver was without for 6 weeks.

I had issue with them over service .Car returned with fault light on .It was a slow puncture .They offered reduced cost on next service .I heard from a source .They are not really interested in Repairs .They get a Fee off you for service plus a fee from MG .More coin per hour doing services than repairs .
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