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Re: what price a general election
« Reply #90 on: November 27, 2017, 03:17:29 pm »
I offered my advice, you didn't take it.

I really hope you Win, but I doubt it.

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Re: what price a general election
« Reply #91 on: November 27, 2017, 03:25:33 pm »
I offered my advice, you didn't take it.

I really hope you Win, but I doubt it.

Its only a score Ken Im getting plenty of Milage out of it ....CANT SEE HOW MARTIN CAN BACK OFF SHE AND THE GOVERNMENT VOTED CONFIDENCE IN NORIEN O SULLIVAN AND THEY KNEW ..The person who wrote the email did not recall writing it. The minister he wrote for does not recall reading it.

If we are to have an election "over one email" as has been stated repeatedly over recent days, let’s take a close look at that email and what it tells us about how the role of the Department of Justice and its minister in this sorry affair.

The email was written by Michael Flahive, an assistant secretary in the Department of Justice.

He explains in the email that he had taken a call from Richard Barrett, Deputy Secretary General in the Office of the Attorney General.

He wrote that Mr Barrett had told him that the garda commissioner’s legal team had raised a very serious criminal allegation that had been made against Maurice McCabe.

He presumed this was being raised so that the garda commissioner could argue that it was relevant to his motivation.

He wrote that counsel for Sgt McCabe had objected and asked if this approach had been authorised by the garda commissioner.

He said Mr Barrett had told him the garda commissioner’s authorisation had been reaffirmed.

Finally he said he and Mr Barrett had agreed that neither of their bosses, the attorney nor the minister, "had a function" in relation to the evidence that a party to a Commission of Investigation may adduce.



This was hot breaking news. This was no junior official passing on title-tattle. This was one of the most senior figures in the AG’s office who immediately realised that the minister needed to know what had just happened.

The email was sent to the secretary general, the assistant secretary in charge of crime and security, and a senior official in the Policing Section as well as the minister’s private secretary, at three minutes to five - just one hour after counsel for the garda commissioner had reaffirmed his instructions at the commission.

It was forwarded on to the minister and her political advisers just seven minutes later.

While the email correctly revealed that there had been a row at the commission, the account of what the row was about is a garbled version of what had actually taken place.

The explanation for this is that its author did not want to refer to the nature of the criminal complaint for confidentiality reasons but knew that by referring to the fact that it was the case considered by the Independent Review Mechanism, the minister would know what was at play.

In any case, the person who had passed on this information was not cc’d on the email so if something was lost in translation the original source would not have been in a position to correct it.

The key questions are this: Why would Richard Barrett be in such a rush to let the minister know about this development if she was powerless to intervene? Could it be that while he believed that there was little she could do to stop the garda commissioner from introducing any evidence at a private inquiry, that the minister may want to respond to this development politically?

Remember, the information was also passed to the minister’s political advisers.

The minister was being told that the garda commissioner was taking issue with the garda whistleblower’s motives.

This was despite the Guerin Report finding him to be a man of integrity who was a dedicated and committed member of An Garda Síochána.

The Taoiseach had apologised to him on the floor of the Dáil. The minister had met Sgt McCabe and his wife, and publicly stated that she "deeply regretted" what they had been put through at the hands of the State.

If some new information had now been uncovered that showed that he didn’t deserve their support, it would have had serious implications for Government policy.

Surely the Taoiseach and Cabinet colleagues would need to know if the man they had - belatedly - been publicly backing to the hilt turned out to be motivated by a grudge?

There were now seven people in the Department of Justice besides the minister who should have had serious concerns about what was transpiring at the O’Higgins Commission, seven very senior people who now understood that a serious criminal complaint was being introduced in a private inquiry to challenge Sgt McCabe’s motives for making allegations.

Despite this the Department of Justice says that while the Tánaiste is recorded as having "noted" the contents of the email "there was no oral discussion or briefing with her about it".

Given how politically toxic the issue of how Sgt McCabe had been treated by the State had already proven to be, the apparent radio silence about this revelation beggars belief.

No further legal opinion was sought.

No other options of actions open to the minister were explored.

The minister met then commissioner Noirín O’Sullivan the day after she received it and did not mention it to her.

Instead the email was simply filed away and forgotten about while the garda commissioner was allowed a free hand in a legal attack on Sgt McCabe that almost destroyed him.

When the details of the commissioner’s legal strategy were leaked 12 months later, the Tánaiste gave no indication that she had been in any way aware of the garda commissioner’s approach.

If she had by then simply forgotten, there were seven senior officials in her department who could have reminded her.

At the time the minister expressed concern that the transcripts had been leaked and refused to be drawn on the appalling vista they revealed.

While others demanded to know the full story, the minister to whom the garda commissioner is accountable strongly defended her right to claim privilege over the instructions she had given to her legal team.

She continued to express full confidence in the commissioner.

The failure to include this key email in the documents sent to the Disclosures Tribunal is a serious matter.

The shifting sands under the reported timeline for the discovery of this email raises yet more questions.

It is now beyond doubt that at least nine people should have known the information the Taoiseach put on the record of the Dáil for two days running was not correct.

We are told that a tenth person, current Minister for Justice Charlie Flanagan, didn’t bother to ask about the contents of the email when its existence was reported to him by a secretary general who was simultaneously announcing his departure from his post.

There is no doubt that this was a cock-up of catastrophic proportions.

The Disclosures Tribunal will now have to consider whether there was also a conspiracy, and if so, who was part of it.

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Re: what price a general election
« Reply #92 on: November 27, 2017, 05:35:19 pm »
What's the story with the papers Leo gave Mehaul? Is it a case of a deal being done and a few blank A4 pages giving FF an exit strategy... in the light of certain documentary evidence it seems prudent to allow the tribunal proceed to blah blah blah before blah blah blah?
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Re: what price a general election
« Reply #93 on: November 27, 2017, 11:06:59 pm »
get in there Ken ...Date Of Next Election   Hide
Singles only. Applies to the year in which the next Irish general election takes place.
2017 10/11
2018 4/5
2019 20/1
2020 50/1
2021 or later

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Re: what price a general election
« Reply #94 on: November 28, 2017, 06:34:42 am »
The constitution and Joe Costello..........where would you get this???? Netflix me bollocks.

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Re: what price a general election
« Reply #95 on: November 28, 2017, 12:25:15 pm »
told you i could smell cordite they just shot FRAN.

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Re: what price a general election
« Reply #96 on: November 28, 2017, 12:27:23 pm »
Dead woman walking the minute Leo backed her. Mr Kelly would want to take a step back now...Charlie from Portlaoise is after him...dangerous animal...a Portlaoise solicitor.

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Re: what price a general election
« Reply #97 on: November 28, 2017, 12:39:41 pm »
Leo just lost all creditability Mick martin will shit in his mouth at every leaders questions ,Alan Kelly will gun for Flanagan election before Paddys day FF big winners ,If Leo is wise he will call an election he is on a loser now just like me .

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Re: what price a general election
« Reply #98 on: November 28, 2017, 12:41:58 pm »
Leo just lost all creditability Mick martin will shit in his mouth at every leaders questions ,Alan Kelly will gun for Flanagan election before Paddys day FF big winners ,If Leo is wise he will call an election he is on a loser now just like me .

Can't see Eminem stirring it now as he's on his 3rd election as leader if it is called. He won't get a fourth if the polls are owt to go by.

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Re: what price a general election
« Reply #99 on: November 28, 2017, 12:59:49 pm »
Ya gotta get outta that bet John M, even @ 4/9, have 9 Ton to win 4 (with a Nifty '2019+' Saver @ 12/1) and have something to show fer it.

Ya won't get it all on in one PP shop, so spread it around, have 180 to win 80 in 5 different PP offices, that should keep you 'Under the Rader' !


28 Nov 2017 12:12
"Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has written to Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin confirming that Tánaiste Frances Fitzgerald has offered her resignation and he has accepted it."

FFS John M, I gave you advice and opportunity to hedge outta that bet,
I'm really pissed off that you ignored my advice.

And I'm also pissed off with PP fer refusing miz 6 to win 4 on a 2018 election,
it's 1/25 now !
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/irish-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=2106837
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Re: what price a general election
« Reply #100 on: November 28, 2017, 01:36:41 pm »
Ken there was no hedge Powers wouldnt lay two tenners . The price hit 4/5 last night and I tried with 6 accounts to get on but was informed my account had reached the maximum stake even though I had no bets on it .BTW you need to tell me how you want to be paid your 202 I dont like posting Cash or Check .

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Re: what price a general election
« Reply #101 on: November 28, 2017, 02:10:31 pm »
You got a good run for your score, erm. Unlucky.
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Re: what price a general election
« Reply #102 on: November 28, 2017, 03:14:48 pm »
Ken there was no hedge Powers wouldnt lay two tenners . The price hit 4/5 last night and I tried with 6 accounts to get on but was informed my account had reached the maximum stake even though I had no bets on it .BTW you need to tell me how you want to be paid your 202 I dont like posting Cash or Check .

Whatever suits you, Postal order is prob easiest, I'll PM you my Addy.
I really hate taking your hard-earned off you on a 'Rob-job' but you
can't decline and neither can I decline your payment.

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Re: what price a general election
« Reply #103 on: November 28, 2017, 03:24:34 pm »
Ken there was no hedge Powers wouldnt lay two tenners . The price hit 4/5 last night and I tried with 6 accounts to get on but was informed my account had reached the maximum stake even though I had no bets on it .BTW you need to tell me how you want to be paid your 202 I dont like posting Cash or Check .

Whatever suits you, Postal order is prob easiest, I'll PM you my Addy.
I really hate taking your hard-earned off you on a 'Rob-job' but you
can't decline and neither can I decline your payment.

You took the bet I lost your 202 is on its way .The inside info I had was Noonan was pushing the County Council for a Pilot scheme .Ross had other ideas I recon he knew if he said yes then FG would then say "Sure Shane there is no need for the new drink driving limits now that lads can get the lift home " Ross had that request on his desk a long time and did nothing with it until his junior minister said they needed to do something to help the publicans if FG had of agreed in the beginning to back the new drink drive limits in return for rideshare Ross might of agreed with Noonan .

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Re: what price a general election
« Reply #104 on: November 29, 2017, 09:05:58 am »
Gambling is a mugs game.......especially when it involves politics. Chinaman only gambles on animals.

 


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