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Re: smart arse bet
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2019, 12:49:42 PM »
Parliament is set up so it can't happen, John.......see it's all a game and you've won!


https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1070704/brexit-news-leave-donors-brexit-delay-article-50-theresa-may-deal-latest

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Re: smart arse bet
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2019, 01:19:02 PM »
May is a remainer has she just forced TDs reject her deal by insulting them.She said she wouldne accept as PM an extended deal so will she hold the vote then introduce a SI to delay Brexit then Resign saying the unruly children refused to impliment the will of the people and she tried her best .I dont know how the Brits will act if they feel they are being shafted .

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Re: smart arse bet
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2019, 04:04:27 PM »
I fucked up got 40 on @4/1 but threy offered me a boosts that is where i can boost the odds on offer so I got 9/2 that there WILL be a 3rd vote .Then they suspended the betting and reintroduced it the correct way around  1/5 Yes there will be a vote and 4/1 no .....
Betting now is 2/5 YES, 7/4 NO.
AND THEY MIGHT PULL THE PALPABLE ERROR RULE ON YOU,
I'm sure you know it but I'll explain it if required.

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Re: smart arse bet
« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2019, 04:11:31 PM »
16. Errors & Suspected Errors

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Re: smart arse bet
« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2019, 04:24:00 PM »
@ Ratcatcher, I just seen this in the PP rules section, it's total bullshite, gambling debts are not recoverable by law.
It's just bully-boy tactic's to deter charge-backs.

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« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2019, 04:26:08 PM »
@ Ratcatcher, I just seen this in the PP rules section, it's total bullshite, gambling debts are not recoverable by law.
It's just bully-boy tactic's to deter charge-backs.

17. Charge-backs and Cancellation

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Re: smart arse bet
« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2019, 04:33:37 PM »
Not quiet, you don't have to pay them, but they must pay you (subject to their rules) if they refuse to pay on a winning legit bet then the customer can object to their annual bookie licence renewal and also to their annual suitability of personal fitness to hold a bookmaking licence.
But as most firms are based over sea's in mainly Malta or Gibralta that could be a bit of a trek, but it can be done.

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Re: smart arse bet
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2019, 04:37:49 PM »
Not quiet, you don't have to pay them, but they must pay you (subject to their rules) if they refuse to pay on a winning legit bet then the customer can object to their annual bookie licence renewal and also to their annual suitability of personal fitness to hold a bookmaking licence.
But as most firms are based over sea's in mainly Malta or Gibralta that could be a bit of a trek, but it can be done.
David v Goliath (think Gol wud win this one)

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« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2019, 05:02:50 PM »
No, not really, if they pissed me off enough (and as a former bookie/odds compiler/bookie rule book maker I know gambling law inside out) I would take them on. What ever gaming authority licences them, then they have someone to answer to. The same as if we act the maggot, then we must answer to the NTA or else we don't get our licence renewed.
Bookies know this but very few punters do, so to stay within the rules bookies seldom refuse bets but just offer reduced stakes or odds, or restrict or close certain accounts without refusing a bet.

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Re: smart arse bet
« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2019, 05:04:08 PM »
No, not really, if they pissed me off enough (and as a former bookie/odds compiler/bookie rule book maker I know gambling law inside out) I would take them on. What ever gaming authority licences them, then they have someone to answer to. The same as if we act the maggot, then we must answer to the NTA or else we don't get our licence renewed.
Bookies know this but very few punters do, so to stay within the rules bookies seldom refuse bets but just offer reduced stakes or odds, or restrict or close certain accounts without refusing a bet.
Interesting Ken, will hold this in reserve if the need ever arises

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Re: smart arse bet
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2019, 05:15:10 PM »
Unlikely it ever will happen STC because the bookies stay within the confines of the rules, reducing stakes and odds and they always have the palpable error rule fer bets like John M posted above.
The rules aren't loaded in anyone's favour, they are there to seek Fair Play, the problem is that no one wants to Play Fair !

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Re: smart arse bet
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2019, 07:22:29 PM »
Its only a 40 euro stake Ken .Tried the sportsbook with an old card but card was invalid so probably marked their card without getting on they changed the odds around .

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Re: smart arse bet
« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2019, 07:36:13 PM »
Its only a 40 euro stake Ken .Tried the sportsbook with an old card but card was invalid so probably marked their card without getting on they changed the odds around .
They could and might pull the 'Palpable Error' rule but fer the sake of the 180 winnings, most likely they will swallow it rather than take their chances on you knowing gambling law and how to object to their licence.

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Re: smart arse bet
« Reply #43 on: March 22, 2019, 05:08:28 PM »
Gambling debts aren't legally enforceable in Ireland and the UK... they are in Malta. For Irish customers "PPB Counterparty Services Limited is licensed and regulated by the Malta Gaming Authority to offer Games, Sportsbook, Virtual Games and Tote under license number MGA/CRP/131/2006, issued on 01/08/2018". However, both credit card issuers (banks) and gambling firms seem reluctant to test the legality of where the transaction occurred in Irish courtrooms. Notably, PPB Counterparty Services Limited is obliged to pay duty in Ireland on bets struck with clients in Ireland.

You'd have absolutely no chance of successfully objecting to it's Maltese licence. They pay big money for it for a reason i.e. it's a licence to do exactly as they please. If you were in the UK you would have some chance as for UK customers "PPB Entertainment Ltd, PPB Counterparty Services Ltd and PPB Games Ltd are licensed and regulated by the [UK] Gambling Commission to offer Games, Sportsbook. Virtual Games and Tote".

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Re: smart arse bet
« Reply #44 on: March 22, 2019, 06:52:36 PM »
I wouldn't be too sure of all that Stephen, most likely it never has and never will be tested, because PP, Etc. stick to the rules and restrict bets rather than refuse them and they pay out accordingly on legit winning bets.

What I was saying to you earlier (post number 34) was that they have No legal jurisdiction over charge-backs in the ROI, but their rules seem to imply that not only could they get the charge-back cancelled, they could also bill you fer the cost involved in doing it, that is total bull shite, been there, got the T-shirt !

 


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