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Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: John m on June 29, 2022, 11:45:11 pm
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Dublin Bus have been slammed for leaving Green Day fans "high and dry" after people were left stranded at Marlay Park after the gig due to the lack of transport
The American rock legends were playing at Marlay Park as part of their "Hella Mega Tour" with support from Fall Out Boy and Weezer. Local Fine Gael Councillor David McManus hit out at the public transport provider, saying they failed to "organise even one extra bus on their routes around Marlay Park which has left thousands of concert-goers high and dry".
The South Dublin County Councillor added: "The 14 and 16 bus routes should have additional buses on their routes between 4pm and midnight each day."
One fan said she was forced to walk 2 and a half hours to get to a bus stop but was left stranded after the last bus drove past her. Speaking on Twitter she said: "Marlay Park was a f*****g shambles tonight. The last bus left randomly stranding thousands. No Luas running.
"Guards told us to walk to the bus stop for 16. Walked for 2.5 hours for the Dublin Bus to not stop for us. No taxis. Took me almost 3 hours to get home and I live in the city."
Another person said they had to walk 5 kilometres home to Rathmines after buses stopped running at 10pm. They said: "What a great concert at Marley Park tonight. Green Day you were absolutely amazing.
"Dublin Bus what is wrong with you?!? No buses after 10 from Marlay Park. Why? Just why? WALKED HOME 5K TO Rathmines."
A third person added: "It’s only Monday but the first Marley Park show has already shown how unfit for purpose public transport and particularly Dublin Bus are. Loads of people just wondering around the place the last hour with no way home."
Cllr McManus said even commuters getting out of the city had difficulties as buses were at full capacity all evening. He added: "night, the Grange Road at Marlay Park became the Boulevard of Broken Public Transport for Green Day fans as tens of thousands walked into town due to the failure of Dublin Bus.
"I’m calling on Dublin Bus to serve the public and organise additional services for concert-goers immediately."
Fans were also left fuming at the start of the concert after they had to join a "massive" queue. People attending the concert claimed there was only one entrance open which meant the queue stretched over 1.5km long around the perimeter of the park.
One fan posted pictures of people queuing for the gig, writing: "The state of the queue to get in to Marlay Park. Surely @mcd_productions should have made safer arrangements for people!!! Actually standing on the side of a road with traffic passing."
A Dublin Bus spokeswoman said: "Dublin Bus is responsible for the operation of PSO services. Our full schedule of services is operating across Routes 14, 16 and 61, with some diversions in place.
"Dublin Bus is not in a position to provide additional services for the concerts and Longitude Festival 2022, at Marlay Park. The National Transport Authority is aware of this and made this position clear to concert organisers, well in advance of the event.
DUBLIN BUS is not in a position but what about Go Bus .All the no taxi bollox is about busses and the Public Service Obligation .The Nightlink does not Qualify but if the NTA react to the Taxi shortage by offering the subsidy Go Bus will cover the routes .Like I posted first create the Problem Tell Ballyfermot Joseph then Leo or Eamo will sort it out by offering the subsidy .
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If yu invented a mini folding lightweight electric scooter that fits in a back pak ....you'd be richer than elon musk
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https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/1019/1254657-legislation-approved-to-allow-e-scooters-on-irish-roads/ (https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/1019/1254657-legislation-approved-to-allow-e-scooters-on-irish-roads/)
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About time. What's going on with the regulation of Rickshaws promised by Minister Ross many many years ago?
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Anyone else noticed the rickshaws are getting faster and aren't being pedal assisted like before covid.?New batteries maybe?.I wonder how much power they're legally allowed to have?
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Is there any regulation/legislation?
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Not yet anyway RC.Maybe they'll just fit in under the leccy scooter/leccy bike legislation.
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Dublin Bus have been slammed for leaving Green Day fans "high and dry" after people were left stranded at Marlay Park after the gig due to the lack of transport
The American rock legends were playing at Marlay Park as part of their "Hella Mega Tour" with support from Fall Out Boy and Weezer. Local Fine Gael Councillor David McManus hit out at the public transport provider, saying they failed to "organise even one extra bus on their routes around Marlay Park which has left thousands of concert-goers high and dry".
The South Dublin County Councillor added: "The 14 and 16 bus routes should have additional buses on their routes between 4pm and midnight each day."
One fan said she was forced to walk 2 and a half hours to get to a bus stop but was left stranded after the last bus drove past her. Speaking on Twitter she said: "Marlay Park was a f*****g shambles tonight. The last bus left randomly stranding thousands. No Luas running.
"Guards told us to walk to the bus stop for 16. Walked for 2.5 hours for the Dublin Bus to not stop for us. No taxis. Took me almost 3 hours to get home and I live in the city."
Another person said they had to walk 5 kilometres home to Rathmines after buses stopped running at 10pm. They said: "What a great concert at Marley Park tonight. Green Day you were absolutely amazing.
"Dublin Bus what is wrong with you?!? No buses after 10 from Marlay Park. Why? Just why? WALKED HOME 5K TO Rathmines."
A third person added: "It’s only Monday but the first Marley Park show has already shown how unfit for purpose public transport and particularly Dublin Bus are. Loads of people just wondering around the place the last hour with no way home."
Cllr McManus said even commuters getting out of the city had difficulties as buses were at full capacity all evening. He added: "night, the Grange Road at Marlay Park became the Boulevard of Broken Public Transport for Green Day fans as tens of thousands walked into town due to the failure of Dublin Bus.
"I’m calling on Dublin Bus to serve the public and organise additional services for concert-goers immediately."
Fans were also left fuming at the start of the concert after they had to join a "massive" queue. People attending the concert claimed there was only one entrance open which meant the queue stretched over 1.5km long around the perimeter of the park.
One fan posted pictures of people queuing for the gig, writing: "The state of the queue to get in to Marlay Park. Surely @mcd_productions should have made safer arrangements for people!!! Actually standing on the side of a road with traffic passing."
A Dublin Bus spokeswoman said: "Dublin Bus is responsible for the operation of PSO services. Our full schedule of services is operating across Routes 14, 16 and 61, with some diversions in place.
"Dublin Bus is not in a position to provide additional services for the concerts and Longitude Festival 2022, at Marlay Park. The National Transport Authority is aware of this and made this position clear to concert organisers, well in advance of the event.
DUBLIN BUS is not in a position but what about Go Bus .All the no taxi bollox is about busses and the Public Service Obligation .The Nightlink does not Qualify but if the NTA react to the
Taxi shortage by offering the subsidy Go Bus will cover the routes .Like I posted first create the Problem Tell Ballyfermot Joseph then Leo or Eamo will sort it out by offering the subsidy .
Aww, the poor diddums! Think of Mbogo who has to walk five miles for clean water? Puts it into perspective.
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Does the blame not lie with the concert organisers? Surely, once they found out that Dublin Bus were not getting involved, they could have rang around the local private hire bus companies and gotten them involved. A bit of extra money for those companies who'd normally be doing school runs or tourist runs down the country?
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Does the blame not lie with the concert organisers? Surely, once they found out that Dublin Bus were not getting involved, they could have rang around the local private hire bus companies and gotten them involved. A bit of extra money for those companies who'd normally be doing school runs or tourist runs down the country?
Is it true lot them concert goers paid for ther tickets before the chinese flu and that's why thers so many of them concerts now ? An the money was probably spent ...
Maybe they don't care how anyone gets home ...
Anyway was anyone sexually salted yet? oops
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Does the blame not lie with the concert organisers? Surely, once they found out that Dublin Bus were not getting involved, they could have rang around the local private hire bus companies and gotten them involved. A bit of extra money for those companies who'd normally be doing school runs or tourist runs down the country?
Is it true lot them concert goers paid for ther tickets before the chinese flu and that's why thers so many of them concerts now ? An the money was probably spent ...
Maybe they don't care how anyone gets home ...
Anyway was anyone sexually salted yet? oops
A few taxi drivers forgot to text their wives, and have been sexually assaulted. They're too proud to go to the Gardaí or call Jooooeeee Duuuffffyyyy!
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FFS do I really need to spell it out .The Garda have an Anti Terrorisms protocol in place .They first eliminate Panic .If somebody was to ram a vehicle into a dense crowd the following panic would cause a stampede .The protocol is to disperse the crowd from a congested fixed point The Gateway .If they have Cars ,Taxis,Busses that slows down the dispersal of the crowd .With a dispersed crowd any terrorist will only kill what they hit .Look at other Terror attacks in Europe .Manchester ,London ,Paris ,Brussels ,Berlin .Most deaths or injuries were caused by stampede .Look at Heisel or Hillsboro .The Gards are not telling people that there are terrorist treats .But if you knew somebody on the Council Joint Policing Forum they might tell you .You are reading of the effect not the cause .The cause of the lack of transport is Security the effect is moving targets not sitting ducks .Do we really believe looking at the rest of Europe that Ireland is Special and wont have any terror attacks .The Gards are doing their job keeping the crowd safe .If anything happened Drew would be hung out to dry by TDs asking why crowds were allowed hang around waiting .
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John there is something in what you say about a terror attack.They are treating taxis different to the buses though.During the pride bollox they kept taxis we'll away from the parade route but allowed buses right up to the edge.From what I can see the cops can't be certain if we can be trusted.Must be all the muzzies in the fleet.
When I queried why I wasn't allowed bring my passengers through a road closure with a copper from Pearse street they couldn't give me a proper answer.
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FFS do I really need to spell it out .The Garda have an Anti Terrorisms protocol in place .They first eliminate Panic .If somebody was to ram a vehicle into a dense crowd the following panic would cause a stampede .The protocol is to disperse the crowd from a congested fixed point The Gateway .If they have Cars ,Taxis,Busses that slows down the dispersal of the crowd .With a dispersed crowd any terrorist will only kill what they hit .Look at other Terror attacks in Europe .Manchester ,London ,Paris ,Brussels ,Berlin .Most deaths or injuries were caused by stampede .Look at Heisel or Hillsboro .The Gards are not telling people that there are terrorist treats .But if you knew somebody on the Council Joint Policing Forum they might tell you .You are reading of the effect not the cause .The cause of the lack of transport is Security the effect is moving targets not sitting ducks .Do we really believe looking at the rest of Europe that Ireland is Special and wont have any terror attacks .The Gards are doing their job keeping the crowd safe .If anything happened Drew would be hung out to dry by TDs asking why crowds were allowed hang around waiting .
Cud be rite Johnny....I seen a Cople of soldiers goin inta the Dail the other day wit guns....an I wonder why the army is goin into the Airport? Hardly crowd control ???
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The Muslims have mostly calmed down a bit since they got ther arses kicked .....ide say thers plenty Russians here workin for putin ...do we still have thousands of Americans coming tru Shannon every week?
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Reply to the above .... if you knew somebody on the Council Joint Policing Forum. He might even employ casual labour ?
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Reply to the above .... if you knew somebody on the Council Joint Policing Forum. He might even employ casual labour ?
Councillor Danny Byrne
Lord Mayor Caroline Conroy
Councillor Joe Costello
Adrian Cummins, Restaurants Association of Ireland
Councillor Daithí de Róiste
Councillor Tara Deacy
Joe Donohoe, Fatima Groups United
Councillor Daithí Doolan
Tony Duffin, Ana Liffey Drug Project
Councillor Mannix Flynn
Richard Guiney, Dublin Town
Councillor Deirdre Heney
Councillor Janet Horner
Councillor Dermot Lacey
Councillor Ray McAdam
Councillor Larry O'Toole
Fergus Sharpe, Dublin Chamber of Commerce
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The Muslims have mostly calmed down a bit since they got ther arses kicked .....ide say thers plenty Russians here workin for putin ...do we still have thousands of Americans coming tru Shannon every week?
Sinn Fein collaborated with the NAZIS, there's even a memorial in Fairview Park.
Now they're Marxist -Leninist, so, aligned to the Kremlin.
RA's Putin has a ring to it. 8)
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About time. What's going on with the regulation of Rickshaws promised by Minister Ross many many years ago?
Do ye have rickshaws up there ?
We have just the one fella working a rickie down here.
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Your New dash ID .Why does it take up to 10 weeks to get it ?Big Dommos sister cleans a gaff for an oulone that works in the Government and she recons that they recheck your garda vetting at renewal and part of the fuckology in the Airport is to do with Garda vetting even if you worked there before .If you left your Garda vetting for the airport is cancelled ..Garda vetting is job specific and in some cases location specific .Now if you want to know why UBER Rideshare wont be here any time soon or ever .How long would it take to Garda Vet Helen Hogan from the Cottages near the Houses behind the flats if she wanted to drive her 2003 Corolla for reward .I bought and paid for me new dash ID nearly two months ago still waiting got vetted to do the Driver Training course took two months to get clearance .Even old people are impacted ,I was asked would I visit an old lad from Inchicore as he was Alone they were looking for a volunteer to drop in two or three times a week I said ok .They asked me to fill in a Garda Vetting Form .I said thanks but no thanks .You want to vet me but you dont vet the Old Lad im visiting ?
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And the attack on the Bus service hots Up .....Driver absences among bus services are at unacceptable levels.
And they are also impacting the reliability of services.
That's what the National Transport Authority told the Joint Committee on Transport last night.
Concerns were also raised about delays on public transport.
Social Democrats TD Catherine Murphy said in particular bus connects was mostly popular among workers.
But that people don't want to use a service that's not reliable.
TAKE IT AWAY FROM DUBLIN BUS AND BUS EIREANN hand it over to private providers with Yellow Pack pay Packets and lower pension entitlements .Night time meeting between a Dail comittee and Transport Authority ????
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And the attack on the Bus service hots Up .....Driver absences among bus services are at unacceptable levels.
And they are also impacting the reliability of services.
That's what the National Transport Authority told the Joint Committee on Transport last night.
Concerns were also raised about delays on public transport.
Social Democrats TD Catherine Murphy said in particular bus connects was mostly popular among workers.
But that people don't want to use a service that's not reliable.
TAKE IT AWAY FROM DUBLIN BUS AND BUS EIREANN hand it over to private providers with Yellow Pack pay Packets and lower pension entitlements .Night time meeting between a Dail comittee and Transport Authority ????
Ther all out wit the chinese flu ide imagine
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Did you ever hear Ballyer Jo or the Plank suggest the lack of taxis could be responsible drivers self isolating .That is only an excuse for planes and busses not working .If I was asked why there are a lack of workers I would suggest the lack of workers only exists where the staff are required to be on site .Like Shops and Hotels and in person security and loading planes .Dosent seem to be any shortage of work from home staff .Dosent seem to be a shortage of Bricklayers as the work from home option dosent work .People dont want to be on site 24/7 anymore .Shannon Begley from Big Dommos Flats was the first person I knew changed from working on the Streets to working from home .When she married Franno she gave up street work and started a talk dirty phone line instead .That way she could look after the kids and do Frannos bit of dinner .
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Does the blame not lie with the concert organisers? Surely, once they found out that Dublin Bus were not getting involved, they could have rang around the local private hire bus companies and gotten them involved. A bit of extra money for those companies who'd normally be doing school runs or tourist runs down the country?
What about those attending. It's hardly news at this stage that it's impossible to hire a taxi up above in Dublin so why leave themselves stranded? Use a designated driver, pay someone for a lift, hire a limousine, etc, etc, etc....
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And the attack on the Bus service hots Up .....Driver absences among bus services are at unacceptable levels.
And they are also impacting the reliability of services.
That's what the National Transport Authority told the Joint Committee on Transport last night.
Concerns were also raised about delays on public transport.
Social Democrats TD Catherine Murphy said in particular bus connects was mostly popular among workers.
But that people don't want to use a service that's not reliable.
TAKE IT AWAY FROM DUBLIN BUS AND BUS EIREANN hand it over to private providers with Yellow Pack pay Packets and lower pension entitlements .Night time meeting between a Dail comittee and Transport Authority ????
Ther all out wit the chinese flu ide imagine
The same with flight crews and cabin crews amongst the airlines.
"Joe, ya can't get a plane when ya want one, it's all very fine until someone dies trying to walk home"
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You'd be risking your virginity getting an Uber. In America, at least...
Uber reports sexual assault decline for 2019-20 (https://www.axios.com/2022/07/01/uber-sexual-assault-decline-safety-report)
Thousands of U.S. Uber drivers and riders reported being sexually assaulted over a two-year period, according to a safety report the ride-hailing company released on Thursday — its second ever, covering 2019-20.
Between the lines: The 3,824 reported sexual assaults is actually a decline of 38% from the previous report, which covered 2017 and 2018. However, the number of deaths due to physical assaults and crashes both increased.
Of note: These numbers cover a period in which Uber provided significantly fewer rides due to the COVID-19 pandemic, which began in early 2020.
What they're saying: Gig Workers Rising, which aims to represent the interests of those who work for on-demand services like Uber, said in a statement that the report shows how driving for ride-share services is "inherently dangerous."
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You'd be risking your virginity getting an Uber. In America, at least...
Uber reports sexual assault decline for 2019-20 (https://www.axios.com/2022/07/01/uber-sexual-assault-decline-safety-report)
Thousands of U.S. Uber drivers and riders reported being sexually assaulted over a two-year period, according to a safety report the ride-hailing company released on Thursday — its second ever, covering 2019-20.
Between the lines: The 3,824 reported sexual assaults is actually a decline of 38% from the previous report, which covered 2017 and 2018. However, the number of deaths due to physical assaults and crashes both increased.
Of note: These numbers cover a period in which Uber provided significantly fewer rides due to the COVID-19 pandemic, which began in early 2020.
What they're saying: Gig Workers Rising, which aims to represent the interests of those who work for on-demand services like Uber, said in a statement that the report shows how driving for ride-share services is "inherently dangerous."
]Typical American attitude, offer rides for a commission - see pimp/prostitute relationship - surprised there are sexual assaults.
You Americans are so stupid! 8)
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You'd be risking your virginity getting an Uber. In America, at least...
Uber reports sexual assault decline for 2019-20 (https://www.axios.com/2022/07/01/uber-sexual-assault-decline-safety-report)
Thousands of U.S. Uber drivers and riders reported being sexually assaulted over a two-year period
Drivers as well as riders but the rate is decreasing significantly. Irish Taxi Drivers' unions tend to suggest Ireland is the most dangerous place in the world to hire a taxi... because of all the unvetted foreigners driving them. As for drivers being sexually assaulted... that was known as getting lucky back when I wore a younger man's clothes. Alas, I suspect the middle class housewives looking for a bitta rough seek out the black lads these days.
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Your New dash ID .Why does it take up to 10 weeks to get it ?Big Dommos sister cleans a gaff for an oulone that works in the Government and she recons that they recheck your garda vetting at renewal and part of the fuckology in the Airport is to do with Garda vetting even if you worked there before .If you left your Garda vetting for the airport is cancelled ..Garda vetting is job specific and in some cases location specific .........
There is No Garda vetting, there is Garda certification but there is No vetting fer an ordinary Taxi driver.
I became a Taxi driver over 12 years ago and was Garda Certified after passing the exam.
It was after a few years of doing Special needs CIE school runs that I was Vetted by the Gardai at the request of CIE who back then needed all their Special needs Taxi drivers Garda Vetted.
What Garda vetting fer Special needs Taxi work requires is a full list of every home that you have ever lived in.
Details of all your siblings and yourself.
FULL details of any Garda involvement or any court appearance.
And the Gardai do check in detail, I left out 1 minor court case by total accident (even though I won the case) and they rang me to ask about it.
Unbelievably I passed !
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https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/driver-licensing/applying-for-an-spsv-driver-licence/ (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/driver-licensing/applying-for-an-spsv-driver-licence/)
4. who are confirmed by An Garda Síochána to be suitable persons to hold SPSV driver licences after a vetting process
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https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/driver-licensing/applying-for-an-spsv-driver-licence/ (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/driver-licensing/applying-for-an-spsv-driver-licence/)
4. who are confirmed by An Garda Síochána to be suitable persons to hold SPSV driver licences after a vetting process
Its different in cork ?
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https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/driver-licensing/applying-for-an-spsv-driver-licence/ (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/driver-licensing/applying-for-an-spsv-driver-licence/)
4. who are confirmed by An Garda Síochána to be suitable persons to hold SPSV driver licences after a vetting process
Its different in cork ?
Is that a question or a statement ? Just curious
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https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/driver-licensing/applying-for-an-spsv-driver-licence/ (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/driver-licensing/applying-for-an-spsv-driver-licence/)
4. who are confirmed by An Garda Síochána to be suitable persons to hold SPSV driver licences after a vetting process
Its different in cork ?
Is that a question or a statement ? Just curious
Either or Tarmac .Ken says they dont bother garda vetting in Cork and I assume he knows or he wouldnt of posted that .
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https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/driver-licensing/applying-for-an-spsv-driver-licence/ (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/driver-licensing/applying-for-an-spsv-driver-licence/)
4. who are confirmed by An Garda Síochána to be suitable persons to hold SPSV driver licences after a vetting process
Its different in cork ?
Is that a question or a statement ? Just curious
Either or Tarmac .Ken says they dont bother garda vetting in Cork and I assume he knows or he wouldnt of posted that .
I would like to think the process for vetting is the same for all entrants or else that could open a can of worms can you imagine there was a more relaxed process in some counties and it came to light there was more murders and rapes due to incompetent vetting procedures.
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I was going to do the Driver Instructor with the Rodent took me two months to be Garda Vetted .I think when you renew your Taxi licence they update your Garda vetting .5 years is a long time to get into trouble .If it turned out you had a kiddy fiddling conviction and had your licence renewed the Garda would have questions to answer .
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https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/driver-licensing/applying-for-an-spsv-driver-licence/ (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/driver-licensing/applying-for-an-spsv-driver-licence/)
4. who are confirmed by An Garda Síochána to be suitable persons to hold SPSV driver licences after a vetting process
What Garda vetting means fer ordinary Taxi drivers is they have a look at your file to see if you have any rape or murder convictions. I would call that Certification rather than Vetting.
Did anyone on here (ordinary Taxi driver) ever do this vetting process ?
Garda vetting fer Special needs Taxi work requires a full list of every home that you have ever lived in.
Details of all your siblings and yourself.
FULL details of any Garda involvement or any court appearance.
And the Gardai do check in detail, I left out 1 minor court case by total accident (even though I won the case) and they rang me to ask about it.
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Belker by your logic you can get a PSV licence if you're a kiddy fiddler but not if you've been convicted of rape or murder.We carry vunerable people all the time from all age groups.How is rape or murder not as serious as what the fiddlers do?
There's just one vetting process AFAIk.You may have been vetted twice but there aren't two levels.
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Belker by your logic you can get a PSV licence if you're a kiddy fiddler but not if you've been convicted of rape or murder.We carry vunerable people all the time from all age groups.How is rape or murder not as serious as what the fiddlers do?
There's just one vetting process AFAIk.You may have been vetted twice but there aren't two levels.
Tell us MFH ? How were you vetted fer your Taxi licence ?
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The cops took my details on a form I filled out.I don't remember exactly what was involved.They do have to do some background checks on everyone as much as they can but they wouldn't be allowing a convicted fiddler drive the public around.
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The cops took my details on a form I filled out.I don't remember exactly what was involved.They do have to do some background checks on everyone as much as they can but they wouldn't be allowing a convicted fiddler drive the public around.
Your picking at straws MFH.
What I am saying is there is no real proper Garda vetting process, they prob have a peep at your file to make sure you have no outstanding or serious previous, but that's about it. Nothing like the serious Garda vetting you get to drive special needs children.
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I dunno Belker.. what's so different about driving vulnerable old people and drunk vunerable young people around and special needs around.You haven't been given any extra training from what I can tell.You're babysitting in all scenarios.You're in a position of trust in all situations.
Maybe when you applied for the CIE job they did a final check to check you were still clean since you got your PSV vetting?
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Maybe you both got vetted but only as much as the Gardai felt needed doing. In Dublin, the carriage office does it for hundreds of drivers and it's probably pretty automated. In rural areas, it might be a bit more personalised and involved and they might even know the applicant.
Maybe most taxi drivers have pretty boring lives - they just grew up in the their parent's house, moved into a bedsit for a few years before they got married and bought a house and had 2.4 children. There's not much vetting you can do on that!
But if you were lived in a foreign country and got your start in a cash business like betting (colourful characters), maybe there's a bit more digging to be done on that?
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I think I had to put previous addresses down on my PSV but nothing about family members.I dunno why that would be relevant anyway.
I suppose the older ye are the more they have to look through.
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Still dont know,what the REAL agenda is after reading all that ?