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Re: The Unabomber Trial: The Manifesto
« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2019, 01:24:52 pm »
Ted starts many points with "We".
Whom do you think "We" is ?

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« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2019, 01:29:46 pm »
Imaginary friend probably.

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« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2019, 06:54:40 pm »
 THE POWER PROCESS

33. Human beings have a need (probably based in biology) for something that we will call the “power process.” This is closely related to the need for power (which is widely recognized) but is not quite the same thing. The power process has four elements. The three most clear-cut of these we call goal, effort and attainment of goal. (Everyone needs to have goals whose attainment requires effort, and needs to succeed in attaining at least some of his goals.) The fourth element is more difficult to define and may not be necessary for everyone. We call it autonomy and will discuss it later (paragraphs 42-44).

34. Consider the hypothetical case of a man who can have anything he wants just by wishing for it. Such a man has power, but he will develop serious psychological problems. At first he will have a lot of fun, but by and by he will become acutely bored and demoralized. Eventually he may become clinically depressed. History shows that leisured aristocracies tend to become decadent. This is not true of fighting aristocracies that have to struggle to maintain their power. But leisured, secure aristocracies that have no need to exert themselves usually become bored, hedonistic and demoralized, even though they have power. This shows that power is not enough. One must have goals toward which to exercise one’s power.

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« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2019, 06:55:50 pm »
 35. Everyone has goals; if nothing else, to obtain the physical necessities of life: food, water and whatever clothing and shelter are made necessary by the climate. But the leisured aristocrat obtains these things without effort. Hence his boredom and demoralization.

36. Nonattainment of important goals results in death if the goals are physical necessities, and in frustration if nonattainment of the goals is compatible with survival. Consistent failure to attain goals throughout life results in defeatism, low self-esteem or depression.

37, Thus, in order to avoid serious psychological problems, a human being needs goals whose attainment requires effort, and he must have a reasonable rate of success in attaining his goals.

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« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2019, 01:09:49 pm »
35. Everyone has goals; if nothing else, to obtain the physical necessities of life: food, water and whatever clothing and shelter are made necessary by the climate. But the leisured aristocrat obtains these things without effort. Hence his boredom and demoralization.

36. Nonattainment of important goals results in death if the goals are physical necessities, and in frustration if nonattainment of the goals is compatible with survival. Consistent failure to attain goals throughout life results in defeatism, low self-esteem or depression.

37, Thus, in order to avoid serious psychological problems, a human being needs goals whose attainment requires effort, and he must have a reasonable rate of success in attaining his goals.

Disagree wit this one....I dont have goals,ambition or make any effort......an I dont have any serious psychological issues  :P ??? >:( ;D :)
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« Reply #50 on: September 27, 2019, 01:46:24 pm »
Yis are mad to believe all that psychology bollox.You might as well be reading tea leaves or the stars.

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« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2019, 04:07:24 pm »
Yis are mad to believe all that psychology bollox.You might as well be reading tea leaves or the stars.
Or studying economics?

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« Reply #52 on: September 27, 2019, 04:15:43 pm »
Probalby SB.The problem I have with all the psychologists and amateur taxi psychiatrists are they rely on the patient being honest.Folks are lying cunts in my experience.Doctors giving out diagnosis and meds based on what the crazy person tells them for a ton an hour.Great scam that.

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« Reply #53 on: September 27, 2019, 04:35:36 pm »
Probalby SB.The problem I have with all the psychologists and amateur taxi psychiatrists are they rely on the patient being honest.Folks are lying cunts in my experience.Doctors giving out diagnosis and meds based on what the crazy person tells them for a ton an hour.Great scam that.
https://youtu.be/CZR2k5c_198

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« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2019, 05:34:23 am »
Probalby SB.The problem I have with all the psychologists and amateur taxi psychiatrists are they rely on the patient being honest.Folks are lying cunts in my experience.Doctors giving out diagnosis and meds based on what the crazy person tells them for a ton an hour.Great scam that.

Not really, when the person doing the charging is the one who deems them sane or insane. Freud prescribed all his patients cocaine...knowing how addictive it was.

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« Reply #55 on: September 29, 2019, 08:25:56 am »
 SURROGATE ACTIVITIES

38. But not every leisured aristocrat becomes bored and demoralized. For example, the emperor Hirohito, instead of sinking into decadent hedonism, devoted himself to marine biology, a field in which he became distinguished. When people do not have to exert themselves to satisfy their physical needs they often set up artificial goals for themselves. In many cases they then pursue these goals with the same energy and emotional involvement that they otherwise would have put into the search for physical necessities. Thus the aristocrats of the Roman Empire had their literary pretensions; many European aristocrats a few centuries ago invested tremendous time and energy in hunting, though they certainly didn’t need the meat; other aristocracies have competed for status through elaborate displays of wealth; and a few aristocrats, like Hirohito, have turned to science.

39. We use the term “surrogate activity” to designate an activity that is directed toward an artificial goal that people set up for themselves merely in order to have some goal to work toward, or let us say, merely for the sake of the “fulfillment” that they get from pursuing the goal. Here is a rule of thumb for the identification of surrogate activities. Given a person who devotes much time and energy to the pursuit of goal X, ask yourself this: If he had to devote most of his time and energy to satisfying his biological needs, and if that effort required him to use his physical and mental faculties in a varied and interesting way, would he feel seriously deprived because he did not attain goal X? If the answer is no, then the person’s pursuit of goal X is a surrogate activity. Hirohito’s studies in marine biology clearly constituted a surrogate activity, since it is pretty certain that if Hirohito had had to spend his time working at interesting non-scientific tasks in order to obtain the necessities of life, he would not have felt deprived because he didn’t know all about the anatomy and life-cycles of marine animals. On the other hand the pursuit of sex and love (for example) is not a surrogate activity, because most people, even if their existence were otherwise satisfactory, would feel deprived if they passed their lives without ever having a relationship with a member of the opposite sex. (But pursuit of an excessive amount of sex, more than one really needs, can be a surrogate activity.)

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« Reply #56 on: September 29, 2019, 08:26:42 am »
 40. In modern industrial society only minimal effort is necessary to satisfy one’s physical needs. It is enough to go through a training program to acquire some petty technical skill, then come to work on time and exert the very modest effort needed to hold a job. The only requirements are a moderate amount of intelligence and, most of all, simple OBEDIENCE. If one has those, society takes care of one from cradle to grave. (Yes, there is an underclass that cannot take the physical necessities for granted, but we are speaking here of mainstream society.) Thus it is not surprising that modern society is full of surrogate activities. These include scientific work, athletic achievement, humanitarian work, artistic and literary creation, climbing the corporate ladder, acquisition of money and material goods far beyond the point at which they cease to give any additional physical satisfaction, and social activism when it addresses issues that are not important for the activist personally, as in the case of white activists who work for the rights of nonwhite minorities. These are not always PURE surrogate activities, since for many people they may be motivated in part by needs other than the need to have some goal to pursue. Scientific work may be motivated in part by a drive for prestige, artistic creation by a need to express feelings, militant social activism by hostility. But for most people who pursue them, these activities are in large part surrogate activities. For example, the majority of scientists will probably agree that the “fulfillment” they get from their work is more important than the money and prestige they earn.

41. For many if not most people, surrogate activities are less satisfying than the pursuit of real goals (that is, goals that people would want to attain even if their need for the power process were already fulfilled). One indication of this is the fact that, in many or most cases, people who are deeply involved in surrogate activities are never satisfied, never at rest. Thus the money-maker constantly strives for more and more wealth. The scientist no sooner solves one problem than he moves on to the next. The long-distance runner drives himself to run always farther and faster. Many people who pursue surrogate activities will say that they get far more fulfillment from these activities than they do from the “mundane” business of satisfying their biological needs, but that is because in our society the effort needed to satisfy the biological needs has been reduced to triviality. More importantly, in our society people do not satisfy their biological needs AUTONOMOUSLY but by functioning as parts of an immense social machine. In contrast, people generally have a great deal of autonomy in pursuing their surrogate activities.

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« Reply #57 on: September 29, 2019, 08:33:58 am »
35. Everyone has goals; if nothing else, to obtain the physical necessities of life: ......

Disagree wit this one....I dont have goals,ambition or make any effort......an I dont have any serious psychological issues  :P ??? >:( ;D :)
I think Ted is a step ahead of ya Octy !

"On the other hand the pursuit of sex and love (for example) is not a surrogate activity, because most people, even if their existence were otherwise satisfactory, would feel deprived if they passed their lives without ever having a relationship with a member of the opposite sex. (But pursuit of an excessive amount of sex, more than one really needs, can be a surrogate activity.)"

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« Reply #58 on: September 29, 2019, 10:06:16 am »
35. Everyone has goals; if nothing else, to obtain the physical necessities of life: ......

Disagree wit this one....I dont have goals,ambition or make any effort......an I dont have any serious psychological issues  :P ??? >:( ;D :)
I think Ted is a step ahead of ya Octy !

"On the other hand the pursuit of sex and love (for example) is not a surrogate activity, because most people, even if their existence were otherwise satisfactory, would feel deprived if they passed their lives without ever having a relationship with a member of the opposite sex. (But pursuit of an excessive amount of sex, more than one really needs, can be a surrogate activity.)"

The love of me life is gone back to her husband again ken ......I was devastated all week ...nuttin ...no text or " listen it's not workin out hummy" .( she used to call me hummy cause she said ther was a smell off me wen we wud be fighting)....just seen  the 2 them going into the off licence an coming out with twenty 24 tray of Dutch gold an 2 flaggins of scrumpy jack....
And the owlone next door isn't talkin to me cause she found the love of me lifes earing on the floor in the bedroom .....
I'm fuked for a bit of rough an tumble now ....
I was so upset this week I worked double shifts all week I must of dun 30 hours ...I though mytaxi  wer going to ring me an offer me diplomatic ambassadorship without stickers even
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« Reply #59 on: September 29, 2019, 10:15:31 am »
You will have to have a Shower and Shave and put the Glad-Rags on Octy !
I know a big ask at our age, before heading fer the Lights.

But as Ted sez; "Youse have a goal !".

 


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