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Re: A return to full trade by Xmas?
« Reply #45 on: May 01, 2021, 01:21:48 pm »
You seeing the Big Picture Occi trow millions at the bus game then sell it off as a going concerne but retain the Garages they are the wealth same will happen with Trains they will sell off the rolling stock but retain the mainlines the wealth is in the stations and rail lines .Talking to a Lad who told me the Army and Navy are fucked well undermanned as 64% of the military budget goes on Pensions .Army sold off most of the barracks around the country to fund pensions .We send Soldiers overseas so the UN pay the wages .Pensions are a killer for the economy .School teachers and Guards who got index linked final income pensions in the 50s and 60s are getting more in pension than they earned per week when working .I often wonder if like France we might move on to a Second Republic and just default on every existing pension or debt liability .Occi I live in a working class area recon we have 1.5 or more cars per household .,Where I was brought up there were only two cars among about 300 houses .As Charlie Haughey said we living above our means .I dont know if my Grandchild has ever been on a CIE bus ?

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Re: A return to full trade by Xmas?
« Reply #46 on: May 01, 2021, 01:28:43 pm »
You seeing the Big Picture Occi trow millions at the bus game then sell it off as a going concerne but retain the Garages they are the wealth same will happen with Trains they will sell off the rolling stock but retain the mainlines the wealth is in the stations and rail lines .Talking to a Lad who told me the Army and Navy are fucked well undermanned as 64% of the military budget goes on Pensions .Army sold off most of the barracks around the country to fund pensions .We send Soldiers overseas so the UN pay the wages .Pensions are a killer for the economy .School teachers and Guards who got index linked final income pensions in the 50s and 60s are getting more in pension than they earned per week when working .I often wonder if like France we might move on to a Second Republic and just default on every existing pension or debt liability .Occi I live in a working class area recon we have 1.5 or more cars per household .,Where I was brought up there were only two cars among about 300 houses .As Charlie Haughey said we living above our means .I dont know if my Grandchild has ever been on a CIE bus ?

The pensions are just a thacther excuse Johnny..... The country is run by criminals..... Even the gardaí are paid by the drug dealers........... By the way.... How's that James hospital looking? that so far has cost 400million or sumtin  an not even a shite pipe laid
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Re: A return to full trade by Xmas?
« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2021, 01:42:32 pm »
2.6 billion at the moment Occi and thats only the build cost another billion or more to fit it out .Whatever happened to the site they paid millions for to build a new Northside Prison ? Wait till we see the Bill for needeling renting out needle hubs like the Aviva or City west and how much per needle are Doctors getting paid .Certain people will have made millions out of this Pandemic .Company paid to collect used needles and swabs must be on at least a million a week .Headline in the paper will be HSE spends coin on taxis but try find out how much the waste disposal gets and you will be told that is sensitive trading information and cannot be released .

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« Reply #48 on: May 01, 2021, 02:03:24 pm »
DO you remember it OCCI 50 million for a field ...
Plans for a large prison on the Thornton Hall site are again under consideration as part of a €175 million upgrade of the country’s prison facilities.

The upgrade and extension plans are part of the Irish Prison Service’s (IPS) goal to end the practice of “slopping out” in the near future. The service is also expecting further increases in the prison population over the next five years.

The 67-hectare Thornton Hall site near Swords in north Dublin was once the planned location of a “super-prison” capable of holding 2,200 prisoners. However, it has remained vacant since an agreement with a private developer collapsed 12 years ago.

More than €50 million was spent on the site but no significant construction work on the proposed prison took place.

Since then it has been under the control of the Department of Justice. In 2019, the department offered some of the site to the Land Development Agency to build homes to ease the housing crisis.

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« Reply #49 on: May 01, 2021, 08:14:56 pm »
Remember the 50 million voting machines Johnny?
Think the travellers done a deal on them to get rid them
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« Reply #50 on: May 01, 2021, 08:16:11 pm »
You know that Go Ahead don't actually own any busses?They are all provided by the NTA .Go Ahead are just an operator.

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« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2021, 01:33:56 am »
You know that Go Ahead don't actually own any busses?They are all provided by the NTA .Go Ahead are just an operator.

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Re: A return to full trade by Xmas?
« Reply #52 on: May 02, 2021, 01:45:01 pm »
So busses are dear to run...Im missing the point?

I won't answer for what point M was making but my point was that I disagreed with his opinion that the most expensive part of running a bus service is the investment in the bus. I backed up my opinion with information.

I worked as a mechanic on the buses uwha.... Dont forget the land used for maintenance in the garages all in prime locations for development..... Donnybrook I'de alone is worth at least  a hundred million....ciontarf problaly 50 million then look at all the depots an garages round the country and your talking billions in assets,  Yur forgetting the corruption that's going on....the Potentiall for Brown envelope is Fukin off the scale a bonanza that cud put any politician up Ther wit the kinihans in the wealth stakes .. Ther threatening to reduce (steal)  me pension now cause they sayin they can't afford it..... Its Fuk all but it's mine......Anyway i dont know how much it costs per bus The cost of maintenance, and wages 
Doesn't really come into it....... Its about land grabbing......
And the go bus drivers will be on minimum wage with Fuk all pension or sick pay or free doctors or free travel throughout Europe or as many holidays and they'll be all immigrants who work for buttons........ Profit profit profit at the expense
Of the citizens..... Capitalism Thatcher an Reagan style........ Stick it up the working man's arse...... More poverty, more selling the people's land to developers and foreign banks to the highest bidder with the biggest. Brown envelope....... And
More homelessness  degradation..... Wer going back to dickens days.........
Gimme a Fukin gun an a uniform an 2 alstations
I get what you are sayin and I agree. It is slow wind down of Dublin Bus to avoid union stand offs and at the end they will sell that bus garages off just like they sold off most of the army barracks. You are bang on about the Go Ahead lads too, thats why the goernment brought a private operator in. The drivers in Go Ahead dont see it. Best thing for all bus drivers in every company is to stick together but what are the chancees of that.
John made the point that he thought the buying or investing in abus was most expensive part of a bus service. My point was that it wasn't. There are loads of costs involved as you said but wages is the biggest part and not just in Dublin Bus. (But semi state service pay and benefits makes it the best, at the moment anyway)

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Re: A return to full trade by Xmas?
« Reply #53 on: May 02, 2021, 01:46:40 pm »
You know that Go Ahead don't actually own any busses?They are all provided by the NTA .Go Ahead are just an operator.
Thats right and the same applies to the Luas and Dublin Bus. Might be indirect through CIE but NTA are the bosses, everyone else is a service provider.

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Re: A return to full trade by Xmas?
« Reply #54 on: May 02, 2021, 01:47:57 pm »
So busses are dear to run...Im missing the point?

I won't answer for what point M was making but my point was that I disagreed with his opinion that the most expensive part of running a bus service is the investment in the bus. I backed up my opinion with information.

I worked as a mechanic on the buses uwha.... Dont forget the land used for maintenance in the garages all in prime locations for development..... Donnybrook I'de alone is worth at least  a hundred million....ciontarf problaly 50 million then look at all the depots an garages round the country and your talking billions in assets,  Yur forgetting the corruption that's going on....the Potentiall for Brown envelope is Fukin off the scale a bonanza that cud put any politician up Ther wit the kinihans in the wealth stakes .. Ther threatening to reduce (steal)  me pension now cause they sayin they can't afford it..... Its Fuk all but it's mine......Anyway i dont know how much it costs per bus The cost of maintenance, and wages 
Doesn't really come into it....... Its about land grabbing......
And the go bus drivers will be on minimum wage with Fuk all pension or sick pay or free doctors or free travel throughout Europe or as many holidays and they'll be all immigrants who work for buttons........ Profit profit profit at the expense
Of the citizens..... Capitalism Thatcher an Reagan style........ Stick it up the working man's arse...... More poverty, more selling the people's land to developers and foreign banks to the highest bidder with the biggest. Brown envelope....... And
More homelessness  degradation..... Wer going back to dickens days.........
Gimme a Fukin gun an a uniform an 2 alstations
I get what you are sayin and I agree. It is slow wind down of Dublin Bus to avoid union stand offs and at the end they will sell that bus garages off just like they sold off most of the army barracks. You are bang on about the Go Ahead lads too, thats why the goernment brought a private operator in. The drivers in Go Ahead dont see it. Best thing for all bus drivers in every company is to stick together but what are the chancees of that.
John made the point that he thought the buying or investing in abus was most expensive part of a bus service. My point was that it wasn't. There are loads of costs involved as you said but wages is the biggest part and not just in Dublin Bus. (But semi state service pay and benefits makes it the best, at the moment anyway)
Autonomous cabs will be profitable when the driver is taken out of the equation, seeing as that's the biggest cost.

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Re: A return to full trade by Xmas?
« Reply #55 on: May 02, 2021, 01:48:42 pm »
If you dont have the bus you dont have any business you can hire casual labour and only pay for fuel when you drive .Therefor the most expensive part of running the business is the initial investment anything else is just costs related to operating . My point was that if you have the bus you wont make any money parking it up over night .Run the fuck out of it .You might run empty for a while but as soon as people realize its reliable they will use it .Look at the Luas they have added carrages to the original offering .
Fair enough, it just the way you said it and I had done a bit of research on the cost of running buses years ago, so it stood out when you said it.

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« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2021, 11:00:00 am »
Very Good interesting posts U Wha, you really seem to know your stuff.

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« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2021, 03:58:31 pm »
Here is another little know fact .When NAMA sold the Conference center they said to the purchaser that if they did not turn over 30 million a year that Nama would make up the shortfall .Now you know why they moved the Dail to the Conference Center.  The Dail was to small for ALL the TDs to take their seat and social distance .AH WHAT THE FUCK I hear you say .Is the conference Center large enough for every TD to sit down and Social distance  NO ITS NOT .


THIS IS BRILLIANT ..Sittings of the Dáil and Seanad in the Convention Centre in Dublin are “an abject waste of taxpayers’ money”, a Government backbencher has said.

Fianna Fáil TD Marc MacSharry said Leinster House had all the necessary facilities and, with a “pinch of imagination”, the authorities could avoid “needlessly wasting” the daily €25,000 cost to host Oireachtas sittings at the 2,000 seat centre.

He was speaking as the Dáil passed the new Government’s first piece of legislation, after a two-day debate.

The Microenterprise Loan Fund (Amendment) Bill aims to enhance supports to small businesses during the Covid-19 crisis. It provides for increased funding to Microfinance Ireland (MFI) the agency that lends up to €50,000 to businesses with nine employees or fewer that cannot access bank finance.

MFI last week had to suspend loan offers because €16 million or 80 per cent of the €20 million limit had been allocated.

The legislation also increases from €75 million to €500 million the cumulative limit on schemes for small and medium-sized enterprises that are funded through the European Investment Fund.

Mr MacSharry said the savings from the Convention Centre sittings could be used instead to support small business during the Covid-19 crisis.

He said the use of the Convention Centre as an “abject waste of taxpayers’ money”.

Dáil sittings have been held in the Convention Centre because of social-distancing requirements, initially to allow all 159 TDs attend to vote on the appointment of the Taoiseach and the new Cabinet on July 4th.

No rent is charged for the use of the facility but when the centre was chosen in April in the early stages of the pandemic, the daily estimated cost was put at €50,000. The cost has since reduced to €25,000 with a once-off charge of about €110,000 to install microphones.

The Convention Centre is not charging the Oireachtas for use of the building and the costs mainly relate to staffing and broadcast technology.

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The new Seanad, which has had two sittings since its full 60 complement were approved, has operated in the Convention Centre and while the Dáil sat in Leinster House on Tuesday its remaining sittings this week are in the Convention Centre.

Those chairing sessions in the auditorium have expressed difficulty in seeing speakers and TDs being late for Dáil debates or missed speaking slots because of meetings in Leinster House.

Mr MacSharry said that in Leinster House, “each of us has our self-incubation unit (office) with a monitor in front of us to watch proceedings and with some will and just a pinch of imagination, we could have a fully functional Oireachtas on the campus where it was intended to be rather than needlessly wasting €25,000 a day down here.

“We have all the facilities required and if we just employed that pinch of imagination, we could all be back up on Kildare Street doing our work as people expect.”

In the debate on the legislation, Minister of State Damian English rejected an amendment by Sinn Féin spokeswoman Louise O’Reilly for loans to be interest free for the first 12 months and to cap rates at 2 per cent thereafter following criticism of the 4.5 per cent to 5.5 per cent rates charged by MFI.

He said the rate had been cut from 7 per cent or 8 per cent to 4.5 per cent and with the six-months interest-free break there is an effective rate of 3 per cent “which is quite manageable for most business.

ITS ALL IN HOW YOU READ IT THE CONFRENCE CENTER DONT CHARGE THEY DONT HAVE TO AS NAMA HAVE A DEAL WITH THEM ALREADY .Some republic .

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Re: A return to full trade by Xmas?
« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2021, 04:12:37 pm »
Just re read some of the report on the Public Private Partnership involved in the Confrence center .How many more of them are there in road building ,Bus and train and Luas where service providers have a guaranteed income .Hard for us to compete with a bus that has its running costs covered by government wages part funded probably exempt from tolls no nine year rule .Those PPPs look like a licence to print money .Listened to Anne Graham from the NTA her idea is to promote public transport and walking and cycling at the expense of driving .

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« Reply #59 on: May 03, 2021, 05:18:37 pm »
A lot of the Toll Roads outside of Dublin get a top-up from (Govt/NTA?) because they don't make enough money.
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