How do you do discount HSE work

[dalymount]

so if its the case that hotels can operate private ranks on their forecourts , why then were the NTA enforcement team so successful in securing so many prosicitutions in court for that very reason ? im told that the drivers who engaged legal representation to defend this action , advised them that what you just said would not stand up in court

[silverbullet]

your Wan running KCR was/is a Solicitor, obviously not very good.

[dalymount]

Well I dont kniw anything about her,but it certainly seems to be contrary to what RCsays.

[Rat Catcher]

I heard none of the cases went to court, DM. If memory serves, there may have been some issue surrounding planning permission that effectively prevented the Burlington from operating a rank but that obviously doesn't apply to the Clayton (Clonshaugh), The Pavilions S.C. or Dublin Airport. Could be that the relevant restrictions are only applicable with DCC's administrative area?

[dalymount]

Again I think tour wrong rat.I actually spoke to an enforcement officer who confirmed that it is indeed illegal for these drivers to be standing for hire in the car parks.he did however also say that it is not all that easy to secure a conviction in court.they have to approach a driver and get him to take them a short distance first before they can do him for illegally standing for hire he also told me a number of convictions had been secured in court and the monthly release of the statistics would appear,to confirm this.u less of course thwy are spoofing

[Rat Catcher]

There weren't any relevant court reports posted on here or on Roys. We usually see reports of any case involving a taxi driver. Why are private ranks still operating at the Clayton and the Pavilions S.C. - it'd hardly be difficult for an enforcement officer to hire a taxi at a taxi rank?

[dalymount]

Well I can only tell you what I was told,but they did confirm it was illegal

[Tony]

Ain't Liffey valley and the square run the same?

[dalymount]

yes Tony they are. its also admitted by enforcement that it is illegal. their argument is, the only place a taxi may stand for hire is at an officially appointed taxi rank and as these car parks are NOT offical taxi ranks, any driver standing for hire, is in breach of the rules governing the industry regardless of wether its private property or not.

but will they act to stop it ? will they fuck.as i have already said i wonder does the pay roll of these taxi companies just extend to the various hotels, or should we look a little closer to home.
however its something that is not going to stop anytime soon, so i might as well let it drop, and just accept that illegallity is rampant in the industry, with no desire to stop it

[Belker]

...... its also admitted by enforcement that it is illegal. their argument is, the only place a taxi may stand for hire is at an officially appointed taxi rank and as these car parks are NOT offical taxi ranks, any driver standing for hire, is in breach of the rules governing the industry regardless of wether its private property or not....
....but will they act to stop it ? will they fuck....

so if its the case that hotels can operate private ranks on their forecourts , why then were the NTA enforcement team so successful in securing so many prosicitutions in court for that very reason ?......

Which is it ?
You seem to be contradicting yourself a lot these days Dalymount.

[Belker]

The Burlington can do what it likes on it's own property. There are plenty of examples of private/restricted ranks including The Pavilions Shopping Centre, Clayton Hotel (Clonshaugh) and, of course, Dublin Airport.

I'd go along with Rats on this one, getting a prosecution on private property is a legal quagmire.
Even our own number 1 Cork radio presenter got away with having a Public 'Tommy Tank' on an
aeroplane, because the plane was moving on the runway and seemingly no one had jurisdiction
fer his civil crime on a moving plane on a runway, no charges were ever brought before a court.

[dalymount]

The NTA enforcement officer told me id does not matter if it is private property or not.the fact is,NTA and DCC rules overide any arrangement a cab company has with a hotel when it comes to illegally standing for hire.
The problem for the NTA is is trying to establish if the driver,was responding to a call from the hotel,or if he is just there waiting for work to emerge by chance. This is why they have to engage the driver to take them a short distence,or see if he says he is not available as he is responding to a call

[mercenary for hire]

They can fine lads for plying for hire in unappointed stand/area.It is illegal the way the cab companies do this.

Unless other drivers complain they'll just keep wasting their time checking safety kits.Why the fuk are inspectors asking to see safety kits.Same shit again in Heuston yesterday.I never use the stupid thing.You'd think the useless fuks could be more productive..

[dalymount]

its all about fines and making money for the NTA, thats all they are interested in. just like the penalty points saga, that is also a money making racket by the dept of justice

[mercenary for hire]

There are still Cab2000 greedy fuks parking inside the gates of the Ballsbridge hotel snaring the work before it gets to the rank.As a result other drivers  abandoned the Landsdowne rank.I'm sure the Corpo would love that rank turned back to car parking spaces as it's not getting the drivers anymore.