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john m

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #435 on: June 16, 2019, 07:08:24 pm »
Watching the candidates minus Boris debating on TV FFS a bigger crowd of truly ignorant fucktards never applied for a job .The Rory Lad knows the game is up dosent want to leave but the rest wouldnt get a start in Spar .

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #436 on: June 18, 2019, 06:17:55 pm »
Dominic Raab eliminated from british leadership race.im very disappointed,I thought he would have been there,or thereabouts.im sickened t see that remainer prick Rory Stewart still there,the cunt is gaining momentum.he is the only remainer in the race.it would just my luck that the bollox would turn out to be Boris,s main challenger

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #437 on: June 18, 2019, 06:27:23 pm »
Boris is a Spasticated Dillitant but Britain is a broken society .Morons ligning the racecource today to see the Queen in her horse and carrage while others qued for food parcels .The bit that amuses me is people thinking that Javid has any chance of leading the Conservatives .They hate foreigners so the son of a Pakastani bus driver is unelectable .Dont be surprised Gove pulls out and supports Boris and none of the others get the amount of votes to finish second .and Boris is a Coronation and Boris threatens a no deal withdrawl but Parliament says No and Boris calls an election promising that if he wins they leave .

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #438 on: June 18, 2019, 06:38:21 pm »
I already stopped voting myself because as I said before democracy died on the 29/03/19 when british politicians fail to honour the mandate they were instructed to carry out.if brexit does not happen on 31/10/19 ,it will just be confirmation of my belief

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #439 on: June 23, 2019, 08:05:00 pm »
@ Dollymount I spent today at a seminar with unassociated Economists and Political analysts discussing Brexit I nearly got attacked when I put forward the following Politics is dead long live politics .I suggested that Boris will get elected and to avoid a no deal Brexit he loses a confidence vote .The Tory party will be replaced by The Brexit Party and Labour will be replaced by the Liberals as the two largest parties ,so the next British Priminister will not be A member of the Conservatives or Labour and faced with getting such a slaughtering in the General Election there will be a second remain or leave referendum with a guarentee to leave or stay on the day after the vote. On a show of hands the opinion of the Group was the Brits revoke article 50 and remain .Although remain is the final result nobody agreed that the Tory and Labour get wiped out .

dalymount

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #440 on: June 23, 2019, 08:24:50 pm »
No I wouldnt agree either,althogh I'd love to see the brexitend party in power.its unthinkable for me anyway that brexit may not happen

dalymount

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #441 on: June 26, 2019, 07:32:36 pm »
John do you think Hunt is a serious challenger to Boris,or do you think Boris is a shoe in ?

john m

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #442 on: June 26, 2019, 08:14:54 pm »
Two clowns generalelection in November whoever wins .The Sodomite Prince is getting worried his bulletproof backstop will lead to a fucking disaster .Stupit cunt got played by the EU .Him and Boris will both share the same ignamony of being national leaders who never won an election .You need to wonder what sort of fucktards we have running the country bringing in a budget three weeks before the Brexit withdrawl date .If there is a hard Brexit the Irish Economy implodes by about 7% minus the forcast 3% growth forcast in the budget so a difference of 10% of GNP and they cant or wont delay the budget day .Hard Brexit and 50,000 jobs lost in a few months and about 200,000 jobs gone by Christmas 2020 .Britain is Bolloxed it dosent really matter to them what they do it will still be bolloxed but they will take us with them.The real Brexit Danger is Boris or the Brits might support Trump in Invading Iran and starting WW3 just to show they still think they are a world power .If the Tories think that the Government will fall the day after Boris gets selected and there will be a General Election then Boris wins by about 70% to 30 %.The real powerbroker is the French Nazi Macron he might force the Brits to Shit or stand up on Halloween and refuse an extension on the Grounds the Brits are acting the Cock .

john m

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #443 on: June 26, 2019, 08:56:42 pm »
Dollymount here is the problem in a nut shell.....Europe's eyes will then fix on the UK's new prime minister. But also on Dublin. The other 26 EU countries are watching for any sign of wiggle-room on the backstop - if Ireland moves, the rest of the EU is likely to follow.

And, if it does come to a no-deal, the EU wants guarantees and details from Ireland on how it intends to protect the single market from post-Brexit UK.  The Dilemma If the Sodomite Prince refuses to budge then there will be a hard border and FG will be lucky to hold on to 20 seats in the Next General Election If he does move then he and his Bulletproof Backstop look like politicalbolloxology .He backed himself into a corner now he has to surrender to save the deal for the EU .

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #444 on: June 26, 2019, 09:43:56 pm »
FG need a.....six point plan!!

john m

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #445 on: June 27, 2019, 10:16:05 am »
There you go Dollymount government say hard brexit will be no problem I say Irish economy will collapse .Lets see who is right .....The Government is facing serious trouble. The conditions exist for a near perfect storm with Budget 2020, Brexit and the backstop. They are all coming closer together.

Start with Brexit and the demand that Britain signs up to the Northern Ireland backstop, designed to prevent any change to how the two jurisdictions on this island interact.

Until relatively recently, many smart and informed people thought it impossible that Britain would storm out of the EU without arrangements to smooth its exit.

They held that view because the implications of crashing out in an uncontrolled manner are huge and, to a considerable extent, unknowable - such a rupture has never happened before. Why would any government take such a huge and avoidable risk?

This thinking underpinned the logic of putting the dramatic backstop gambit on the negotiating table in November 2017. Also important was the fundamentally weak position of Britain as one country against 27 in the exit negotiations with the EU.

These factors made Ireland and the rest of the EU calculate that Britain would have to swallow the backstop.

These calculations may ultimately prove correct. If they are, the next British prime minister, almost certainly Boris Johnson, won't eat his cake and still have it in the autumn. Instead, he will have to choke down a large slab of backstop humble pie. In that case, Britain will leave the EU on Halloween, but because it will enter a transition period of de facto continued membership, there will be little if any economic impact for anyone, including for this island.

In that scenario, Budget 2020, which will have been unveiled a few weeks earlier, will give yet another fillip to an economy that should still be growing strongly. The Government confirmed that on Tuesday with its Summer Economic Statement.

But the Government also knows that the assumption that no British government would risk a no-deal Brexit was wrong.

It is clear to even a casual observer of British politics that the backstop is the issue that brought down Theresa May and further radicalised pro-Brexit supporters.

For many of them, a no-deal Brexit is a 'clean break' from an entity they increasingly despise because they view it as attempting to humiliate Britain, among other things. The risk that the backstop would lead to this unhappy juncture has always been real, as this column has been pointing out since it was put on the table 19 months ago.

The time may come in the autumn when Ireland faces a choice between either keeping the backstop and having a disastrous no-deal exit, including a border on this island, or making a major concession on it.

If the gambit has obviously failed by then, it is clear where this island's interests would lie. But let's park that issue for the moment and look at what the Government is cooking up in the event that both sovereign governments on these islands commit giant acts of self-harm later in the year.

In last Tuesday's Summer Statement, the Government set out what it believes will happen to the public finances in a no-deal scenario. In short, the mandarins' figures show a deterioration in the budgetary position, but only a very modest one and certainly not one that would mean the public finances might run out of control.

Is this realistic?

Given that nothing like Brexit has happened before, it is impossible to be sure how the Irish economy and the public finances would be affected.

As such, the very benign outcome for Ireland set out on Tuesday cannot be ruled out entirely.

But a no-deal Brexit is much more likely to be a lot less benign for the public finances than the Government is now claiming. It would disrupt imports of goods - from food to fuel - that individuals consume every day and that businesses need to stay in business. It would damage the tourism sector, as the British pound would slump and make Ireland a more expensive destination to visit. The negative impact on the farming and food sector has been much discussed.

A crash-out Brexit would also generate uncertainty in Border areas and for companies selling into the EU market because the Government won't set out how it will fulfil its obligations to maintain the integrity of the EU single market.

Given all this, the very modest effect on the public finance foreseen in this week's Summer Economic Statement appears wholly unrealistic.

Another way of illustrating this is to consider what happened to the budgetary position the last time the Irish economy was hit by a modest deterioration in the external environment in a period when the domestic economy was doing well (as it is now). That happened in the early 2000s when a shallow international recession took place. That slump was not strong enough to cause a recession in Ireland. It merely caused the Irish economy to slow.

Yet despite this the government's budget position swung from a surplus of almost 5pc of GDP in 2000 to a deficit by 2002 (a 5.4 percentage point deterioration). Growth in government revenues in 2001 and 2002 fell to less than half the rate recorded in the previous few years. This shows just how sensitive Ireland's public finances can be even to mild shocks.

Now compare what happened then to the Government's latest projections for the most extreme budgetary scenario after a no-deal Brexit. Tuesday's figures suggest that a budget surplus of 0.2pc of GDP this year would turn to a deficit of 1pc by 2021. That is a swing of only 1.2 percentage points, far less than in 2000-02.

The Summer Statement correctly says that a no-deal Brexit would have "a severe impact on the Irish economy with output and employment adversely affected, especially in the short-term".

The notion that such an outcome would have such a small impact on the public finances, and one that was much smaller than the mild international downturn of 2000-02, is simply not credible.

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #446 on: June 29, 2019, 02:52:35 pm »
@ Dollymount You might be right Boris might fuck off in October .Britains Top Civil Servant reported ....Britain is in ‘pretty good shape’ for a no deal Brexit, according to the Head of the Home Civil Service, Sir Mark Sedwill.

In early March he told the cabinet that ‘no deal’ would trigger a ten per cent spike in food prices, send businesses to the wall, damage the police’s ability to keep people safe and plunge the economy into recession.

But in the weeks leading up to March 29 and since, the Government has reached many formal and informal agreements with the EU. These agreements safeguard citizens’ rights, security arrangements, students’ rights, and measures to preserve the flow of trade, such as customs procedures at the Channel ports, landing rights for aircraft, permits for Eurostar, driving permits for hauliers, recognition of safety certificates, allowing live animals and animal products swift entry, etc.


We have also reached trade agreements covering most of our exports to countries with which the EU has trade agreements. We have become a member of the Common Transit Convention, so hauliers only need to make customs declarations and pay import duties when they reach their final destination.

Sir Mark has recognised these new facts, so he could truthfully tell the Institute of Government on June 13: “I think we’re in pretty good shape for it. We did one of the most impressive pieces of cross-government work I’ve experienced in my career to make No Deal preparations in the run-up to the [original] March-April deadline.”

So, fears of ‘crashing out’ and of ‘cliff-edges’ are out of date. Forecasts of economic doom are not realistic.


I still think it wont happen but the Brits are preparing for leaving with or without a deal .Unlike the Sodomite Prince and Paggo .Dont be surprised to see Leo groveling and begging the Brits and the EU to save his Bulletproof Backstop .

dalymount

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #447 on: June 29, 2019, 03:52:35 pm »
It will be interesting now to see what the EU  are.made of.will they tell the brits to fukk off,or will they hang us out to dry and concede on the backstop

john m

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #448 on: June 29, 2019, 04:04:38 pm »
Leo got played by the EU now his Political Life depends on NO SURRENDER .I think Clark and Greeve will bring down the Government if they go for no deal The way they will do it is not vote against the Government but resign their seats meaning the government lose their majority  but the Traitors in SF who refuse to defend their country against financial ruin by not taking their Westminster seats and bringing down the Tory idiots have a lot to answer for ..Fat Mary dosent realise the reason people are deserting SF is because they are fucking wasters have stood for nothing  .Brexit wont lead to a United Ireland it will just polarise opinion in the North and lead to more violence .

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #449 on: July 03, 2019, 07:06:33 am »
Dalymount will be so pleaed to find out France the country that ignores the European Financial rules the most just got control of the ECB and The Germans who want to rearm got the Presidency of the EU when I say Germany want to rearm I mean they want the likes of us to pay for it with a European Army .

 


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