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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #2520 on: March 23, 2021, 03:27:45 pm »
It's happened. Brennan's bread now €1.65 in Tesco. Don't say yisser weren't warned.

Inner City kids going to school with Crisp Sambos for Lunch will be a thing of the past after the bread and the spuds go up because of brexit .It will only be the likes of Leo and his fella that will be able to affors luxuries like Tayto Sambos .Inner city kids will be back on the buttered breas and a sprinkle of sugar or if their Ma has a book they might get a banana sambo .

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« Reply #2521 on: March 23, 2021, 03:49:09 pm »
Here you go Rodent Ireland the only country in the EU who have Voted into their Constitution that they will obey the Fiscal rules of the Masstrict Treaty .Wait till the ECB stop buying government bonds and Ireland is treated like Bangladesh with water but no sunshine .We sold our soles and holes when we voted for the fiscal treaty .GET A FUCKING GUN BEFORE THEY GO UP IN PRICE .


There is a monetary revolution happening right under our noses. It is of such seismic proportions that the insurrection will force the EU to make a choice: either it accepts that in the future the ECB will continue to finance everything as it is doing right now, or it will try to go back to the past, reasserting Maastricht Treaty ideology on austerity and government deficits.

The latter option would mean the ECB will blow its own currency apart in a violent, self-inflicted crisis, which would see billions of euro leaving Italy, Spain and Greece in the biggest synchronised current account crisis the world has seen.

The stakes couldn’t be higher; and no one seems to have noticed it yet.

To understand what is happening in Europe we need to go to the US. The new Biden administration is beginning to look like a 21st-century version of the FDR administration of the 1930s. Franklin D Roosevelt took the US off the gold standard and greatly expanded welfare and public investment. This set off a chain of events that profoundly minimised US income inequality, which had soared during the roaring twenties.

Biden’s team unveiled a $1.9 trillion package via a combination of “cheques in the post” for poor and middle-income people last week, plus a huge commitment to expand social spending. The president referred to the initiative as a “down payment”, suggesting that he sees more to come.

It amounts to almost 10 per cent of US GDP – and it’s only a down payment. The implication is that there will be more.

‘Finding’ money
When a government spends such an amount of money, people typically wonder where they “found” the money. This assumes that there is a fixed amount of money, hidden somewhere in a central bank that a government needs to unearth, as if monetary economics is a giant treasure hunt.

This is not how the interaction between governments and their own central banks work. The central bank is the government’s bank. The US government simply instructs the Federal Reserve to give it the money. The Fed prints the money, and the government spends it.

As part of an accounting nicety, the government issues IOUs called bonds against this spending and in effect it “pretends” that these act as a balance sheet equaliser, so that the assets, the new money, are balanced by the liabilities, the new bonds.

This “construction” allows balancing of the national books. But it’s entirely fictitious because the same entity – the US government – both prints the money and issues the bonds, so it owes its own money to itself. In fairness, it does sell “some” of these bonds to the financial markets, giving the impression that it owes someone and has “borrowed” the money. But in reality the borrower and lender are the same, not least because the holders of these bonds will ultimately be paid by the state, with money that the state prints for free.

It is understandable that this little “ruse” – the fundamental basis of monetary policy – is dressed up with all sorts of ritual and ceremony to disguise its essential simplicity. But given that money has value only because we believe in it, ceremony is critical.

Belief in money is not too different from belief in God. All the formality, sacrament and pomp surrounding religion are ways of making the conceit both more magical and more believable. Money is the same. It is a form of magic. The tabernacle of such monetary magic is the central bank, because the central bank controls the money. It turns the water into wine.

In the US, the central bank is under the control of the state. In the euro zone, not so.

The ECB is its own person, so to speak. During the run-up to the euro’s creation – a French idea by the way – the Germans had to be coaxed to give up their currency, and so the ECB was constituted along the lines of the Bundesbank with an undertaking never to print money if requested by the government.

Europe formalised this undertaking in law, via the Maastricht Treaty and its various offspring, leading to the cancellation of national monetary sovereignty.

A nation without monetary sovereignty is a dependent nation. Medium-term, this leaves the nation state with three options: either the nation disappears as it is subsumed (which is the dream of EU federalists); or you reinstate sovereignty (the aspiration of would-be Brexiteers); or you do something else (most likely).

When a crisis unfolds, rules written in good times are fudged or broken, and this is what has happened with the hard rules of Maastricht.

Yet the essential fact remains: the euro is everyone’s currency and no one’s currency. The Irish government can’t print it; nor can the German or Italian governments. As a result, we all incur liabilities in someone else’s currency. This asymmetric dilemma is the “birth defect” in the euro’s design, which manifests itself in default crises and bond market crises when the weather turns choppy.

How can Italy pay its debt if it doesn’t print its own currency? Invoking austerity to pay debts is like putting an anorexic on a restrictive diet and expecting that person to get fat.

Covid calamity
Only the ECB can print euro and it is an independent body, above politics. Without the ECB, everything comes crashing down.

In the past few months, faced with the Covid calamity the ECB has (rightly) become the lender of last resort. The governments are spending to keep our locked-down populations from penury. The governments are spending, sending the invoices to the ECB, and the ECB is honouring these IOUs.

Because the ECB is buying the IOUs at incredibly low rates, governments can roll out all sorts of infrastructure plans, green deal projects and Covid payments. This week the Irish government borrowed at a rate of 0.58 per cent. The markets, bit players in this game now that the ECB is the ultimate backstop, know that they can sell these bonds to the central bank, so everyone is calm.

In effect, the ECB has reinstated monetary sovereignty within the euro zone. Governments are acting as if we can print our own currencies again – and it is glorious. Like in Biden’s US, so much of what we ever wanted to do – build houses, schools, hospitals, railways, wind energy infrastructure – can all be financed at the stroke of a pen, for now.

What would happen if the ECB tried, post-pandemic, to re-establish the old Maastricht rules about government deficits? Quite simply, the biggest euro zone crisis imaginable would ensue.

European governments can’t generate the money internally to pay these debts and, realising this, bond markets – the people who are holding the bonds on the “tacit understanding” that the ECB has their back – would sell off, resulting in massive capital flight from certain euro zone countries.

This is why it won’t happen. The ECB is in a bind. It is custodian of the euro and, it can’t walk back without undermining its currency. The EU can’t move without causing a crisis. It is paralysed.

However, just like the US, the EU has the capacity to spend. As paralysis goes, this is hardly a bad condition. Pity no one seems to quite realise it yet.

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #2522 on: March 23, 2021, 05:12:38 pm »
Have our worst fears been realised in full or could there be more to come, could we be paying €1.82 or even €1.93 in ten years time erm?
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« Reply #2523 on: March 23, 2021, 05:13:04 pm »
There's an old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right but your unattributed article seems to prove the opposite.  Whatever mistakes the EU and ECB have made, they've ended up in a situation where the ECB has to keep pumping out the money.  That's a good news story, surely?
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« Reply #2524 on: March 23, 2021, 05:59:32 pm »
There's an old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right but your unattributed article seems to prove the opposite.  Whatever mistakes the EU and ECB have made, they've ended up in a situation where the ECB has to keep pumping out the money.  That's a good news story, surely?

It was written by the cardboard economist Mc Williams the same hack that said the European Bank would have to bail  out Irish Banks  .He dosent have a bulls notion about fuck all .If the ECB continue to print money  then why would any bank offer you interest on your savings so you will need to invest in the Stockmarket to get a return on capital .With trillions of Dollars/Euro sloshing around bidding against each other for stocks the price will be driven up until the bubble bursts .Imagine Tesla who have had the complete Electric Vehicle market all to themselves couldnt make a profit yet they are the most valuable company on earth .Thats a result of cheap or free money in America flooding into the Stock driving it up a self fulfilling virtual circle until it isint and whoever is left holding the stock loses their coin .

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« Reply #2525 on: March 23, 2021, 06:30:47 pm »
There's an old saying that 2 wrongs don't make a right but your unattributed article seems to prove the opposite.  Whatever mistakes the EU and ECB have made, they've ended up in a situation where the ECB has to keep pumping out the money.  That's a good news story, surely?

It was written by the cardboard economist Mc Williams the same hack that said the European Bank would have to bail  out Irish Banks  .He dosent have a bulls notion about fuck all .If the ECB continue to print money  then why would any bank offer you interest on your savings so you will need to invest in the Stockmarket to get a return on capital .With trillions of Dollars/Euro sloshing around bidding against each other for stocks the price will be driven up until the bubble bursts .Imagine Tesla who have had the complete Electric Vehicle market all to themselves couldnt make a profit yet they are the most valuable company on earth .Thats a result of cheap or free money in America flooding into the Stock driving it up a self fulfilling virtual circle until it isint and whoever is left holding the stock loses their coin .
Y'mean Ponzi?

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« Reply #2526 on: March 23, 2021, 06:45:30 pm »
Exactly Silver .But somethings remain homely and reliable .The Ulster says No crowd have been told to say yes to Abortion .Wait till Arlene babs Paisley Gregory and the Ulster Free Presbyterian drum beating stone throwers decide to say No Nay Never Never Never to Abortion and bring down the Northern Assembly  .Like I said Brexit will bring us back to the 1970s poverty and petrol bombs and Netflix asking keyholders to return to check their premises for incendiary devices .

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« Reply #2527 on: March 23, 2021, 08:59:33 pm »
Who said PONZI !


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« Reply #2528 on: March 23, 2021, 09:12:22 pm »
Who said PONZI !


What goes up!
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Usually the one at the bottom gets flattened and a few others on the way down while the top earner disappears into the sunset.....house!!

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« Reply #2529 on: April 01, 2021, 10:39:07 am »
Are we at the bottom...Cant see F all here...Oh! no.... I can see a light and its Coveney or Mehole the Martian and I think he is taking a dump down on us. Oh! shit are we in the EU toilet bowl......Iz this the real life.....R iz it fantasy...ask Mehole?
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« Reply #2530 on: April 01, 2021, 11:08:59 am »
It was written by the cardboard economist Mc Williams the same hack that said the European Bank would have to bail  out Irish Banks


I think he was right,the Irish govt at the time(Feel n Fall) didn't pull the €64 billion out of their hole,ye do remember the IMF members staying in the Merrion Hotel at the time,

Inanyways,i'm glad i listened to McWilliams back in the day and maybe a lot more people should have.....or are ye just pissed that he didn't take Berties advice and hang himself?

I see you're at it again John....as Watty says....sticking up unattributed articles...or are they just a "your opinion " piece?

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« Reply #2531 on: April 02, 2021, 10:32:34 am »

David McWilliams: There is a vaccine to immunise the economy ...
www.irishtimes.com/opinion/david-mcwilliams...
David McWilliams The rate of interest, which is the price of money in the future, is officially zero. What this means is there is no cost to dipping into the future to bailout the present.

Dont quote me!!!

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« Reply #2532 on: April 02, 2021, 11:55:25 am »
Quote from: Cool

David McWilliams: There is a vaccine to immunise the economy ...
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David McWilliams The rate of interest, which is the price of money in the future, is officially zero. What this means is there is no cost to dipping into the future to bailout the present.

Dont quote me!!!


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« Reply #2533 on: April 03, 2021, 03:07:06 am »
It will if you subscribe to the Oirish Times
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« Reply #2534 on: April 03, 2021, 10:08:00 am »
It won't. The link hasn't been copied correctly.
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