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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #2310 on: November 16, 2020, 03:25:21 pm »
I appreciate your efforts to entertain me,but wasn't really looking for a read

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #2311 on: November 16, 2020, 03:26:55 pm »
Dollyer Irish Culture as in Political Culture not music or Poetry or art but Political culture is repugnent .There is a Documentary on TV this week about the Irish Sweepstakes Joe Mc Grath was a Gangster but had great Political patronage .Look at all the other things I mentioned then add in today Ireland are the Biggest facilitators of tax disappearance in the world I dont say tax avoidance or evasion I say Disappearance as nobody knows exactly where it goes .Stuttery Paggo and every other Minister for money have told us we cant afford to solve the housing problem or the school problem or hospital problem but a China Cold and we throw the rule book out the window and borrow to beat the band .It is an Irish Government made up of Irish men that is selling out the country and for a few 350 weekly payments we will go along with it . You should remember just after we went into the EU the basic tax rate was 33% and as much as 55% on your overtime .We shit in a Bucket in a tennament building slept in hot pissy beds wore second hand clothes .Without the EU we would still be there just like fucking Albania .Think when you remove the Green tinted Glasses and look at the reality the Eu has been good for Ireland saved us from ourselves .
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« Reply #2312 on: November 16, 2020, 03:46:24 pm »
Here you go Dollyer not even Big Dommo would come up with shite like this .An elected member of the council asking a bishop to do his job for him .Former lord mayor of Dublin Christy Burke is appealing to Archbishop Diarmuid Martin to broker a compromise deal with Henry Street traders and Dublin City Council to allow them to work on the run-up to Christmas.

The Independent councillor is appealing to the archbishop, as a Dublin man and in the spirit of Christmas, to intervene in the impasse this week.

Cllr Burke said: "The street traders feel as if they are being victimised. They are the very essence of the tradition of Christmas on Henry Street.

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #2313 on: November 16, 2020, 04:34:07 pm »
Ah God be with Anto Gregory

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #2314 on: November 16, 2020, 06:27:26 pm »
Does Christy still collect "donations" from the traders and/or the bishop?
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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #2315 on: November 16, 2020, 09:32:59 pm »
Ive changed my mind on brexit erm,I was a hardcore brexiteer.I am still glad about brexit happening,but I reckon rather then leave the EU,we need to REFORM it.I would give anything to see free movement of people stopped.those overbearing ,and arrogant bastards who run it need to be taken down a peg or two.I hope the day will come when people like Mateo Silvini,Viktor Orban,and other like minded people get the reigns of power

Wont happen Dollyer .I read a report the EU bail out the China Cough Billions might not materialize if Orban dosent tow the line and the Poles dont stop persecuting the Gays .If you believe in Santy ask him FOR A GUN for Christmas .

Hungary and Poland have blocked approval of the EU's budget over a clause that ties funding with adherence to the rule of law in the bloc.

The package includes €750bn (£673bn; $888bn) for a Covid recovery fund.

Ambassadors of the 27 member states meeting in Brussels were unable to endorse the budget because the two countries vetoed it.

Hungary and Poland have been criticised for violating democratic standards enshrined in the EU's founding treaty.

The EU is currently investigating both countries for undermining the independence of courts, media and non-governmental organisations. The clause threatens to cost them billions of euros in EU funding.

EU states had already agreed on the €1.1tn budget for 2021-2027, and the coronavirus stimulus package after a marathon four-day summit in July.


This is how the EU works Covney and the Indian think they are going to back us against the UK and self interest .They will in me bollox .

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #2316 on: November 16, 2020, 10:00:33 pm »
you wont see this on RTE or the Indo ....Hungary and Poland have blocked the approval of the European Union's 2021-2027 budget as well as its COVID-19 recovery fund, sparking a political crisis within the bloc.

Both nations have vetoed the package worth $2.1 trillion because it makes access to money conditional on respecting the rule of law.

"Hungary has vetoed the budget," a spokesman for Prime Minister Viktor Orban said.

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #2317 on: November 16, 2020, 10:44:54 pm »
Good auld Viktor anti establishment politician fair play to him

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« Reply #2318 on: November 17, 2020, 09:28:42 am »
Good auld Viktor anti establishment politician fair play to him

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Orb%C3%A1n

He graduated law school in 1987.  In 1989, he got a scholarship from the Soros Foundation  oops  to study in Pembroke College, Oxford.

He's been a politician since 1990, prime minister from 1998-2002, leader of the opposition from 2002-2010 and then prime minister again from 2010 to today.

Remind me again how he's anti-establishment?
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« Reply #2319 on: November 17, 2020, 08:41:55 pm »
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« Reply #2320 on: November 17, 2020, 08:43:28 pm »
you wont see this on RTE or the Indo ....Hungary and Poland have blocked the approval of the European Union's 2021-2027 budget as well as its COVID-19 recovery fund, sparking a political crisis within the bloc.

Both nations have vetoed the package worth $2.1 trillion because it makes access to money conditional on respecting the rule of law.

"Hungary has vetoed the budget," a spokesman for Prime Minister Viktor Orban said.

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/1117/1178608-poland-eu-veto/

Poland expects concessions after vetoing EU budget

Updated / Tuesday, 17 Nov 2020 10:23

Poland expects Brussels to offer it new proposals to find a way out of stalemate after the country joined Hungary in vetoing the European Union's €1.8 trillion budget, a government spokesman said.

"We are awaiting new proposals that will be coherent with EU treaties and secondly, will be in line with the conclusions of the European Council (decisions) from July, when the EU budget was agreed," the spokesman told state radio.

Hungary and Poland blocked approval yesterday of the EU's long-term budget and coronavirus rescue and plunged the bloc into political crisis.

They oppose tying EU funding to respect for the rule of law and their envoys vetoed any decision to proceed, effectively blocking the EU's coronavirus strategy.

Germany holds the EU's rotating presidency and wants to resolve the battle over the budget and recovery before its six months are up at the end of the year.

The matter will now be taken up by ministers from member states meeting by videoconference today to prepare the ground for an EU leaders' summit on Thursday.

German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said he is optimistic that a solution can be found.

"We will be working in the coming hours and days with all parties concerned... to find a solution and I am confident that there will be one," Mr Maas said.

"We need not only a solution but also a quick solution and I am sure that we will get it," he added.

The vetoes triggered outrage in Brussels.

Manfred Weber, leader of the centre-right group in the European Parliament, declared: "If you respect the rule of law there is nothing to fear.

"Denying the whole of Europe crisis funding in the worst crisis since decades is irresponsible."

But Hungary was unrepentant.

"Hungary has vetoed the budget," Zoltan Kovacs, a spokesman for Prime Minister Viktor Orban said, arguing that the package must reflect a deal a reached in July.

"We cannot support the plan in its present form to tie rule of law criteria to budget decisions," he said.

EU leaders thought they had resolved dispute over the seven-year EU budget and associated stimulus plan at a marathon four-day-and-night summit in July.

They have since also resolved differences with the European Parliament over spending priorities, and the trillion-euro budget and €750bn stimulus package is ready for approval.

But Poland and Hungary remain implacably opposed to tying their future funding to Brussels' judgement on whether their spending is in line with EU law.

Poland's Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki threatened a veto last week, and yesterday his hardline justice minister Zbigniew Ziobro returned to the fray.

"The question is whether Poland ... will be subject to political and institutionalised enslavement," Mr Ziobro said.

"Because this is not rule of law, which is just a pretext, but it is really an institutional, political enslavement, a radical limitation of sovereignty," he asserted.

Senior European diplomats, however, said there was no question of the other countries agreeing to loosen the rule of law condition.

"We'll see if Budapest and Warsaw are looking for guarantees and if these are acceptable," one said, warning otherwise of a "serious political crisis".

Another suggested that Mr Orban was perhaps looking for more money and might be persuadable.

If the pair continue to hold out, their countries cannot be expelled from the EU, but the other member states will have to find another way to build a budget, the second diplomat warned.

The accord that emerged from the July summit foresaw a 2021-2027 budget, called a Multi-annual Financial Framework, plus the €750bn recovery plan.

The European Parliament rebelled over what it viewed as insufficient allocations for some of its favoured programmes, but accepted a new deal last week that adds €16bn.

Yesterday's ambassadors' meeting was called to sign off on this, and also on plans to allow the EU to issue joint debt and raise its own funds.

The EU leaders' summit on Thursday is to be held via videolink. It was meant to be on the coronavirus crisis, but may now be focused on the need to address the budget stand-off.
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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #2321 on: November 17, 2020, 08:53:59 pm »
you wont see this on RTE or the Indo ....Hungary and Poland have blocked the approval of the European Union's 2021-2027 budget as well as its COVID-19 recovery fund, sparking a political crisis within the bloc.

Both nations have vetoed the package worth $2.1 trillion because it makes access to money conditional on respecting the rule of law.

"Hungary has vetoed the budget," a spokesman for Prime Minister Viktor Orban said.

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/1117/1178608-poland-eu-veto/

Poland expects concessions after vetoing EU budget

Updated / Tuesday, 17 Nov 2020 10:23

Poland expects Brussels to offer it new proposals to find a way out of stalemate after the country joined Hungary in vetoing the European Union's €1.8 trillion budget, a government spokesman said.

"We are awaiting new proposals that will be coherent with EU treaties and secondly, will be in line with the conclusions of the European Council (decisions) from July, when the EU budget was agreed," the spokesman told state radio.

Hungary and Poland blocked approval yesterday of the EU's long-term budget and coronavirus rescue and plunged the bloc into political crisis.

They oppose tying EU funding to respect for the rule of law and their envoys vetoed any decision to proceed, effectively blocking the EU's coronavirus strategy.

Germany holds the EU's rotating presidency and wants to resolve the battle over the budget and recovery before its six months are up at the end of the year.

The matter will now be taken up by ministers from member states meeting by videoconference today to prepare the ground for an EU leaders' summit on Thursday.

German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said he is optimistic that a solution can be found.

"We will be working in the coming hours and days with all parties concerned... to find a solution and I am confident that there will be one," Mr Maas said.

"We need not only a solution but also a quick solution and I am sure that we will get it," he added.

The vetoes triggered outrage in Brussels.

Manfred Weber, leader of the centre-right group in the European Parliament, declared: "If you respect the rule of law there is nothing to fear.

"Denying the whole of Europe crisis funding in the worst crisis since decades is irresponsible."

But Hungary was unrepentant.

"Hungary has vetoed the budget," Zoltan Kovacs, a spokesman for Prime Minister Viktor Orban said, arguing that the package must reflect a deal a reached in July.

"We cannot support the plan in its present form to tie rule of law criteria to budget decisions," he said.

EU leaders thought they had resolved dispute over the seven-year EU budget and associated stimulus plan at a marathon four-day-and-night summit in July.

They have since also resolved differences with the European Parliament over spending priorities, and the trillion-euro budget and €750bn stimulus package is ready for approval.

But Poland and Hungary remain implacably opposed to tying their future funding to Brussels' judgement on whether their spending is in line with EU law.

Poland's Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki threatened a veto last week, and yesterday his hardline justice minister Zbigniew Ziobro returned to the fray.

"The question is whether Poland ... will be subject to political and institutionalised enslavement," Mr Ziobro said.

"Because this is not rule of law, which is just a pretext, but it is really an institutional, political enslavement, a radical limitation of sovereignty," he asserted.

Senior European diplomats, however, said there was no question of the other countries agreeing to loosen the rule of law condition.

"We'll see if Budapest and Warsaw are looking for guarantees and if these are acceptable," one said, warning otherwise of a "serious political crisis".

Another suggested that Mr Orban was perhaps looking for more money and might be persuadable.

If the pair continue to hold out, their countries cannot be expelled from the EU, but the other member states will have to find another way to build a budget, the second diplomat warned.

The accord that emerged from the July summit foresaw a 2021-2027 budget, called a Multi-annual Financial Framework, plus the €750bn recovery plan.

The European Parliament rebelled over what it viewed as insufficient allocations for some of its favoured programmes, but accepted a new deal last week that adds €16bn.

Yesterday's ambassadors' meeting was called to sign off on this, and also on plans to allow the EU to issue joint debt and raise its own funds.

The EU leaders' summit on Thursday is to be held via videolink. It was meant to be on the coronavirus crisis, but may now be focused on the need to address the budget stand-off.

The taxi telrgraph was aware a day before .In fact On October 1st I told you .

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #2322 on: November 17, 2020, 08:55:36 pm »
You told me rubbish, you said I "won't" - well "wont" in ermish - read it on RTE. I did, twice.
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« Reply #2323 on: November 18, 2020, 01:56:26 pm »
Call me a cynical old bastard but timing is everything .Is the Anti Irish shit being stoked again before Brexit blame game starts ..

A man has been arrested in connection with the murders of 21 people in the 1974 pub bombings in Birmingham.

The arrest comes just days before the 46h anniversary of the two deadly November 21 blasts which ripped apart the Mulberry Bush and Tavern in the Town pubs.

West Midlands Police said officers from the West Midlands counter terrorism unit, working with colleagues from the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI), arrested a 65-year-old man at his home in Belfast today.

The man was arrested under the Terrorism Act and a search of his home is being carried out.

The force said he would be interviewed under caution at a police station in Northern Ireland.

It comes just a month after Home Secretary Priti Patel said she would consider holding a public inquiry into the bombings.

Ms Patel also wanted to visit Birmingham to meet justice campaigners, including Julie Hambleton, whose 18-year-old sister Maxine died in the bombings.



Responding to news of the arrest Ms Hambleton called it "the most monumental event" in the criminal investigation into the bombings since the quashing of the convictions of the Birmingham Six in 1991.

When she was telephoned by a senior West Midlands Police officer with news of the arrest today, she told of how she broke down in tears.

"I couldn't speak, I was just inconsolable and was just looking at the picture of Maxine," she said.

"It's welcome news. It's overwhelming news.

"It's tangible progress."

In April last year, an inquest jury found a botched IRA warning call led to the deaths of 21 people unlawfully killed in the atrocity.

The two bombs planted in the two pubs also injured up to 220 other victims.

A flawed investigation by West Midlands Police led to the wrongful convictions of the Birmingham Six - one of the worst miscarriages of justice in British legal history.


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« Reply #2324 on: November 19, 2020, 05:22:17 pm »
You're cynical.
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