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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #1395 on: September 30, 2019, 08:36:19 pm »
Maybe another option would be to grow an illegal substance, get caught, tell the law that the law is an ass and wrong, then get to spend a few months inside a large walled facility, free of charge. Now wouldn’t that be cosy and disconnected from the world.

Probably wouldn't get wifi...and those little phones that they smuggle in up their anus be fukal use...another meaning for loggin on!!
That’s the idea Hal, to be disconnected from the world, 3 meals a day, free clothes, hot water etc etc.

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« Reply #1396 on: September 30, 2019, 09:38:24 pm »
Dalymount you looking in ? Had a conversation with one of our TDs this morning and asked whats the difference between the 27 Eu members .Those in the Euro Zone Single currency and those not in the Single currency .He asked what was I talking about there was no difference .Poor daft cunt thinks the Poles or others with their own coin are going to back us and damage their own currency with a Crash Out Brexit .The ECB has said it will defend the Euro but who defends the Zalotty .Expect some of the EU countries to break rankon the backstop .

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« Reply #1397 on: October 01, 2019, 05:35:15 pm »
 
Twice a day thousands of people rush over the Spanish frontier under the shadow of the rock of Gibraltar: cleaners, architects, office staff for online gaming firms and parents holding their children’s hands.

These are cross-border workers, many of them fearful about how Brexit may change their lives, potentially in just a few weeks’ time.

For more than a year, UK-EU negotiations in the tortuous Brexit process have focused on the challenges of the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. But the frontier between Gibraltar and Spain is the other EU land border set to be transformed by Britain’s departure.

Fifty years after the British territory and the surrounding area were hit hard by a Spanish decision to close the border down, the region is again steeling itself for delays and possible shortages.

Bottlenecks
“Brexit is going to change so much – getting into Gibraltar, getting out, everything,” said Andrea, a Spanish cleaning lady. She was hurrying to cross the border from the neighbouring Spanish town of La Linea, which has 30 per cent unemployment, into wealthier Gibraltar, where, according to official figures, just 33 people are without work.

When tourists and other categories are included, there are an average of 28,500 daily border crossings into Gibraltar. Some 15,000 people travel into Gibraltar for work, taking up half the jobs in the territory. By comparison around 30,000 people a day cross the Irish border for work.

Unlike the UK, Gibraltar wants to continue the free movement of EU nationals after Brexit – even in a no-deal departure – but the disputed territory is worried that border hold-ups will make life more difficult.

The potential bottlenecks are clear. While the Irish border is 500km long with some 200 known crossing points, Gibraltar’s border is only 1.8km long and has one narrow crossing point.


If there is no Brexit deal, UK passports may need to be stamped and subjected to greater scrutiny by Spain - which has sought to regain sovereignty over Gibraltar since the territory was ceded to Britain in the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht, which settled the war of the Spanish succession. Non-EU products – notably perishable foods and pharmaceuticals – could be held up by checks.

In documents setting out the British government’s no-deal planning - known as “Operation Yellowhammer” released in September, the UK said of Gibraltar that people could face border delays of more than four hours. The documents also highlighted the risk of disruption to food and pharmaceutical supplies; and faulted the self-governing British overseas territory for supposedly inadequate preparation.

“It is a bit rich for those who are getting us into this mess to tell us that we are not ready to face the worst eventualities of what they told us would never materialise,” responded Fabian Picardo, Gibraltar’s chief minister, in comments clearly aimed at Boris Johnson’s Brexiter government.

When tourists and other categories are included, there are an average of 28,500 daily border crossings into Gibraltar.
When tourists and other categories are included, there are an average of 28,500 daily border crossings into Gibraltar.
Referendum
Gibraltar was the most anti-Brexit region in the 2016 EU referendum, with 96 per cent voting to stay in the bloc.

Mr Picardo cited the territory’s experience of the 1969 closure of the border by Francisco Franco, then Spain’s dictator: oxygen supplies ran short in Gibraltar hospitals; his own grandmother could not say goodbye to her dying brother in the Spanish town of Algeciras just 15km away.

This time, Gibraltar is not expecting so dramatic a break.

Mr Picardo’s administration insists the Yellowhammer document is out of date, adding it has stockpiled so many medicines it has been told by the UK to stop. In case of pharmaceutical shortage, DHL aircraft that fly to the regional hub of Seville can be diverted to Gibraltar airport. At present almost all of the territory’s medicines come from the UK.

As for food, it says, only British imports into Gibraltar – which has never been part of the EU customs union or VAT system – should be affected. The flow of EU produce should be unchanged.

While perishable British goods will have to be inspected at a post at Algeciras, the Gibraltar government has organised a daily ferry to ship such produce from there.

“My biggest concern does not relate to the ability to import Bovril or Wiltshire ham,” Mr Picardo said. “I have absolutely no doubt that we will get all the provisions we need. We will get all the Panadol we need.”

Instead, the principal concern is people.

The Gibraltar government is assuming “a reasonable worst case” scenario of two hour delays for frontier workers – who at present are often simply waved through by the Spanish police – if there is a no-deal Brexit on October 31.

Among those daily migrants are more than 2,000 UK nationals such as Emily Watkins, who worries that her life will be made unmanageable if she has to wait for hours with her toddler son at the border every night.

“I’m a single mother and I can’t afford to rent an apartment in Gibraltar,” said Ms Watkins, who works for a diving company on the Rock. “My son needs to get his dinner and get to bed here in Spain.”

Frontier
The vast majority of the frontier workers – more than 9,000 people – are Spanish. Employers such as Solomon Massias, who runs the Eroski supermarket franchise in Gibraltar, and John Isola, who operates bars and restaurants, say almost all of their hundreds of workers are Spanish nationals.


Mr Massias suggests his workers can try to come into Gibraltar at non-peak times. But he said that Spanish authorities can “cause a five hour delay at the snap of a finger”, adding that such delays “would affect us terribly”.

Many people rushing across the border say they fear for their jobs if they cannot be on time. In a statement, the Spanish government said a no-deal Brexit would hurt Gibraltar but added it had been working for much of the last year to guarantee “Spanish interests and especially those of workers”.

Juan Franco, the mayor of La Linea, said his town’s economic ties with Gibraltar are so important that, when Franco closed the border, 30,000 to 40,000 people migrated elsewhere. The border was only fully reopened in 1985, less than a year before Spain joined the EU.

Now Mr Franco wants Madrid to invest in more border infrastructure to maintain the flow of goods and people after Brexit. He argued this would serve Spain’s campaign for sovereignty over Gibraltar better than simply applying pressure.

“If a neighbour from Gibraltar comes here, they find a city of high unemployment, low income and infrastructure problems,” he added. “The more intelligent policy would be to create a zone of prosperity in this region.”– Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2019

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #1398 on: October 01, 2019, 07:10:00 pm »
Much ado about nothing. All those crossing the border are already subject to passport checks. I've crossed the border myself many times and I've never seen anybody being "waved through". Even if the Brits decide to stamp passports it wouldn't add much delay to the current process which is aimed identify those running back and forward every couple of hours for the duty frees. Furthermore, frustrating the peasants going to work would be of no advantage to the Brits, they need these underlings to service both the locals and the tax exile corporations. The Spanish may frustrate the Brits a bit on the way out but they've always done that, at least with tourists, they don't like them. However a 1969 style border closure seems unlikely given that many Spaniards rely on crossing the border to earn a crust. The town on the Spanish side of the border already resembles a third world slum, it'd get a whole lot worse if the British traffic was eliminated.
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« Reply #1399 on: October 04, 2019, 04:21:36 am »
Boris Johnstone the Prime Minister of Britain and Norn Eireann is to be taken to court today in Jockland and if he loses the case a Judge will be granted permission by the Courts to send a letter to the EU to ask for an extension to Brexit .What the Fuck is happening when an Unelected Judge from Jockland can make rules for Norn Eireann .England and Wales .Arlene Foster,Nicola Sturgeon or Nigel Farrage are not even members of Parliament but they have a controling interest in how shit happens in the UK.Somebody in the UK has to fire the first shot and sort the mess out .Why the fuck is anybody talking to Arlene about Brexit she is NOT a member of parliament .

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« Reply #1400 on: October 04, 2019, 10:49:38 am »
Given the British Prime Minister's (Taoiseach's) renewed strategic interest in Norn Iron should an Taoiseach do what President Trump suggested and either build a wall or pay for the building of such a wall by the British Government? Trump said it'd be great.
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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #1401 on: October 04, 2019, 12:13:34 pm »
Make NI great again!!

I've a few baseball caps John,we could get that logo printed on them and sell them at a carboot sale in Londonderry!!

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« Reply #1402 on: October 04, 2019, 01:59:56 pm »
I'm back, and I'm fukkin angry Boris has asked the unelected brurocrats for an extension. Come on Nigel, do the business with the brexit party

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« Reply #1403 on: October 05, 2019, 08:03:30 am »
Make NI great again!!

I've a few baseball caps John,we could get that logo printed on them and sell them at a carboot sale in Londonderry!!

Is Gerry A keeping his head down in Louth nowadays? The Spotlight prog about the Troubles has painted him in a poor light........Steak-knife really put a dent in their command structures and the poor fuckers rotting away in Portlaoise and Limerick got to see how MI5 had run them ragged with infiltration etc. Remember reading O'Callaghan's book about the the whole saga and he left with a parting shot about who the real double-agent had been.....he was adamant it was someone really big.....

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« Reply #1404 on: October 07, 2019, 02:05:01 pm »
Here is an interesting development, the court refuses to make Boris ask the unelected brurocrats for an extension. So what happens now ?

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« Reply #1405 on: October 07, 2019, 02:29:51 pm »
I dont know if this is possible .Boris porogues Parliament for a day or two then the Queen enters the Lords and reads out the Queens Speech stating the governments policy for the next session .The Queen says that Britain Leave the EU on the 31st .Now Parliament has to vote on the Queens Speech and the Tories will lose that vote .Now is where it gets complicated .If a Government fails to get a Queens Speach passed then that government loses power but then you have the fixed Parliament act that says Corbyn has 14 days to form a government that would be reduced by time constraints as Britain leave on the 31st .If Boris and his government resign after losing the Queens Speach vote then there is only a CARETAKER Prime minister not a Prime Minister and the Surrender act says the PRIME MINISTER must ask for an extention not the CARETAKER .Subtle difference but enough difference for Boris not to ask and if Corbyn cant and I dont think he can form a government Brexit is done and followed by a general election as there is no government in place .

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« Reply #1406 on: October 07, 2019, 02:55:25 pm »
John as you said yourself in those circumstances Corbyn has 14 days to form a govt, but he doesn't have to TAKE 14 days, if he has his team already picked, he can do it in 14 HOURS,

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #1407 on: October 07, 2019, 03:12:57 pm »
John as you said yourself in those circumstances Corbyn has 14 days to form a govt, but he doesn't have to TAKE 14 days, if he has his team already picked, he can do it in 14 HOURS,

He wont have 14 days before the 31st he will have to be Prime Minister in time to ask before the 31st Boris could wait till after the EU meeting then Porogue parliament for a queens speech that brings it into the 20th plus .two or three days or more to debate the Queens Speech and corbin might only have a day to form a government .If they do as I said then Boris wont have to ask as he said he wouldnot .He will have instructed the Queen to uphold the Law and announce Britain leave on the 31st that is the Law .The Surrender act says the PRIME MINISTER MUST SEEK AN EXTENTION IF THERE IS NO DEAL .Britain might not have a Prime minister only a Caretaker who will be Boris .This trickery mught deliver Brexit legally Some of Corbyns own party including Brexiteers would not support the old Communist as PM neither will the Liberals .Torys might set a Honey trapfor Corbyn .If they vote to accept the Queens Speach then they leave reject it and they might fall out either way they are out and the Tories can Blame Labour for not supporting Tessies Deal .

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« Reply #1408 on: October 08, 2019, 11:42:08 am »
Has the Pretty Princess annoyed the Crown ......They are going to fuck us .They wont even allow a breeze blowing in off the Irish Sea enter Britain without delays

From the Spectator website ......Earlier today, I sent a message to a contact in Number 10 asking them how the Brexit talks were going. They sent a long reply which I think gives a pretty clear sense of where they think things are.

So, in the interest of trying to let people understand where Number 10 reckon the negotiations are, here is their response:

‘The negotiations will probably end this week. Varadkar doesn’t want to negotiate. Varadkar was keen on talking before the Benn Act when he thought that the choice would be ‘new deal or no deal’. Since the Benn Act passed he has gone very cold and in the last week the official channels and the backchannels have also gone cold. Varadkar has also gone back on his commitments — he said if we moved on manufactured goods then he would also move but instead he just attacked us publicly. It’s clear he wants to gamble on a second referendum and that he’s encouraging Barnier to stick to the line that the UK cannot leave the EU without leaving Northern Ireland behind.

There are quite a few people in Paris and Berlin who would like to discuss our offer but Merkel and Macron won’t push Barnier unless Ireland says it wants to negotiate. Those who think Merkel will help us are deluded. As things stand, Dublin will do nothing, hoping we offer more, then at the end of this week they may say ‘OK, let’s do a Northern Ireland only backstop with a time limit’, which is what various players have been hinting at, then we’ll say No, and that will probably be the end.

Varadkar thinks that either there will be a referendum or we win a majority but we will just put this offer back on the table so he thinks he can’t lose by refusing to compromise now. Given his assumptions, Varadkar’s behaviour is arguably rational but his assumptions are, I think, false. Ireland and Brussels listen to all the people who lost the referendum, they don’t listen to those who won the referendum and they don’t understand the electoral dynamics here.

If this deal dies in the next few days, then it won’t be revived. To marginalise the Brexit Party, we will have to fight the election on the basis of ‘no more delays, get Brexit done immediately’. They thought that if May went then Brexit would get softer. It seems few have learned from this mistake. They think we’re bluffing and there’s nothing we can do about that, not least given the way May and Hammond constantly talked tough then folded.

So, if talks go nowhere this week, the next phase will require us to set out our view on the Surrender Act. The Act imposes narrow duties. Our legal advice is clear that we can do all sorts of things to scupper delay which for obvious reasons we aren’t going into details about. Different lawyers see the “frustration principle” very differently especially on a case like this where there is no precedent for primary legislation directing how the PM conducts international discussions.

We will make clear privately and publicly that countries which oppose delay will go the front of the queue for future cooperation — cooperation on things both within and outside EU competences. Those who support  delay will go to the bottom of the queue. [This source also made clear that defence and security cooperation will inevitably be affected if the EU tries to keep Britain in against the will of its government] Supporting delay will be seen by this government as hostile interference in domestic politics, and over half of the public will agree with us.

We will also make clear that this government will not negotiate further so any delay would be totally pointless.  They think now that if there is another delay we will keep coming back with new proposals. This won’t happen. We’ll either leave with no deal on 31 October or there will be an election and then we will leave with no deal.

‘When they say ‘so what is the point of delay?’, we will say “This is not our delay, the government is not asking for a delay — Parliament is sending you a letter and Parliament is asking for a delay but official government policy remains that delay is an atrocious idea that everyone should dismiss. Any delay will in effect be negotiated between you, Parliament, and the courts — we will wash our hands of it, we won’t engage in further talks, we obviously won’t given any undertakings about cooperative behaviour, everything to do with ‘duty of sincere cooperation’ will be in the toilet, we will focus on winning the election on a manifesto of immediately revoking the entire EU legal order without further talks, and then we will leave. Those who supported delay will face the inevitable consequences of being seen to interfere in domestic politics in a deeply unpopular way by colluding with a Parliament that is as popular as the clap.

Those who pushed the Benn Act intended to sabotage a deal and they’ve probably succeeded. So the main effect of it will probably be to help us win an election by uniting the leave vote and then a no deal Brexit. History is full of such ironies and tragedies.’

Now, this is—obviously—only one side of the negotiations view of things. It does, though, make clear Downing Street’s pessimism about getting a deal this week and its thinking about how to handle the coming extension and election campaign.


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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #1409 on: October 08, 2019, 12:22:08 pm »
The plantation has always been the bugbear of the Brits. Problems that existed in 1641 when the Prods were massacred by the Tims still run through the veins of these swinging orang-utans. Even after Cromwell avenged their deaths 8 yrs later, the Ulster Brigade were still demanding more carnage. The British have constantly over-reacted to Irish uprisings throughout the ages as they did in India. To this day, Ulster causes them much aggravation and deep regret that Henry ever went near the kip. The term they then used was "pacification". I wonder how Boris will pacify Leo and Simon.......

 


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